Mustang beats Corvette! (Car and Driver Magazine) - Page 2

xc_SS/RS · 01-10-2016, 11:57 AM

In the powertrain section what on earth is flexibility? Says it's based on the cars dimensions, capacities, rebates, extras and or test results? I would imagine the corvette should have won here since it's probably a bit more useable than the track focused engine in the Mustang no? Also how does the mustang score better for transmission?

trademaster · 01-10-2016, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Pretty much exactly what happened with the GT500 vs ZL1...the numerically lesser vehicle was declared winner due to arbitrary and subjective, non-quantitative terms like "fun","essence" and "spirit".

I was just going to say that. Didn't C & D run the same lap time for both and have the GT500 running through the 1/4 over half a second faster, then declare the ZL1 the winner because it was a bit cheaper and they liked the feel more? Sounds pretty much the same.

TheReaper · 01-10-2016, 03:55 PM

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I was just going to say that. Didn't C & D run the same lap time for both and have the GT500 running through the 1/4 over half a second faster, then declare the ZL1 the winner because it was a bit cheaper and they liked the feel more? Sounds pretty much the same.

Like this.

huggercamaro21 · 01-10-2016, 04:36 PM

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Like this.

Exactly. The ZL1 may have felt better. But it got murdered. End of story.

trademaster · 01-10-2016, 05:39 PM

I've said it before, but for some reason people keep forgetting. Magazines aren't scientific journals. If all they did was report stats, what would be the point? Just look at the specs of two cars and if you know what you're talking about, 99% of the time the results of same day, same driver outright performance tests are predictable. Very few people buy cars based on lap times and trap speeds alone though. The driving experience is paramount for almost all buyers and that includes mostly subjective categories, even brand loyalty.

DRKS1D3 · 01-11-2016, 08:51 AM

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Subjective testing = inaccurate results (Mustang win).
Performance testing = accurate results (Corvette win).

This 100%. Subjectivity has no place in head-to-head, performance testing.

shaffe · 01-11-2016, 09:04 AM

Like a few others have said, I don't remember anyone complaining when the GT500 put up almost exclusive better stats than the the ZL1 but the ZL1 was given the win.

HeavyIOM · 01-11-2016, 10:59 AM

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Question for you folks....

Is Car and Driver only a legitimate magazine when GM products win? I don't seem to recall anyone balking at the magazine when the 6th Gen dominated the Mustang...

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Originally Posted by trademaster

I was just going to say that. Didn't C & D run the same lap time for both and have the GT500 running through the 1/4 over half a second faster, then declare the ZL1 the winner because it was a bit cheaper and they liked the feel more? Sounds pretty much the same.

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Like this.

THIS x100000000 funny how when the role are reversed everyone here loses it.

KaBoom1701 · 01-11-2016, 11:06 AM

This issue has been sitting on the back of my toilet for a week now without being read.....and for a good reason I see. lol

blakjak55 · 01-11-2016, 11:30 AM

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Like this.

Lol, who edited in "Magazine Preference"? Was it published that way?

SpeedIsLife · 01-11-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by blakjak55

Lol, who edited in "Magazine Preference"? Was it published that way?

That was an aggregate made about..three years ago on this forum.

"Magazine Preference" is another way to say "Magazine Declared Winner"

AGM 1LE · 01-11-2016, 11:43 AM

Think about it this way. If they said 'Corvette beats GT350,' people would be like 'ok that is expected.' But having the GT350 win, they sell more magazines (that is the point of the magazine after all) and get more coverage because it is 'shocking' and 'big news'
All boils down to $$$$$$

Apex Motorsports · 01-11-2016, 12:00 PM

The car mags lost all credibility years ago.

KMPrenger · 01-11-2016, 01:04 PM

GT350 is an fantastic car...not going to argue that.

Maybe it really is slightly more fun to drive than the Vette.

But was it faster? No.

So the awkward conversation goes like this:

Person: "So I heard your car beat the Corvette Z51!??"
GT350 owner: "Yes sir it did!"
Person: "Wow...I can't believe your Mustang is faster than a Corvette!"
GT350 owner: "...uuhh...well...the Corvette was actually faster."
Person: "So...how did it win?"
GT350 owner: "Well...its more fun to drive."
Person: "So...its slower...but better?"
GT350: "yes.....uhh...yes it is!"
Person: "OK" *walks away*

lol...maybe a little harsh...but isn't it accurate??

01-10-2016, 11:57 AM	#15
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	In the powertrain section what on earth is flexibility? Says it's based on the cars dimensions, capacities, rebates, extras and or test results? I would imagine the corvette should have won here since it's probably a bit more useable than the track focused engine in the Mustang no? Also how does the mustang score better for transmission? __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

01-11-2016, 11:06 AM	#23
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	This issue has been sitting on the back of my toilet for a week now without being read.....and for a good reason I see. lol __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

01-11-2016, 01:04 PM	#28
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	GT350 is an fantastic car...not going to argue that. Maybe it really is slightly more fun to drive than the Vette. But was it faster? No. So the awkward conversation goes like this: Person: "So I heard your car beat the Corvette Z51!??" GT350 owner: "Yes sir it did!" Person: "Wow...I can't believe your Mustang is faster than a Corvette!" GT350 owner: "...uuhh...well...the Corvette was actually faster." Person: "So...how did it win?" GT350 owner: "Well...its more fun to drive." Person: "So...its slower...but better?" GT350: "yes.....uhh...yes it is!" Person: "OK" walks away lol...maybe a little harsh...but isn't it accurate?? __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

01-10-2016, 05:39 PM	#19
trademaster Drives: 12 MP4-12C, 16 Quattroporte Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Working Posts: 707	I've said it before, but for some reason people keep forgetting. Magazines aren't scientific journals. If all they did was report stats, what would be the point? Just look at the specs of two cars and if you know what you're talking about, 99% of the time the results of same day, same driver outright performance tests are predictable. Very few people buy cars based on lap times and trap speeds alone though. The driving experience is paramount for almost all buyers and that includes mostly subjective categories, even brand loyalty.

01-11-2016, 11:43 AM	#26
AGM 1LE Drives: 14 SS/ 1LE Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: parts unknown Posts: 922	Think about it this way. If they said 'Corvette beats GT350,' people would be like 'ok that is expected.' But having the GT350 win, they sell more magazines (that is the point of the magazine after all) and get more coverage because it is 'shocking' and 'big news' All boils down to $$$$$$

01-11-2016, 12:00 PM	#27
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,179	The car mags lost all credibility years ago.

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