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IMO we don't need to worry about the Corvette at all & for a while for the Camaro. I think where you see changes is what we would consider DD's that either won't have a V8 option or most people won't buy the V8.
But I have to believe the Camaro, Mustang & Challenger are safe for some time - and probably a really long time for the Corvette. |
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I'll go out on a limb and say i don't believe there will EVER be a time when there is no V8 available in a Camaro. They'll kill the car all together before they take the v8 from its options sheet.
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again, what you don't get is that the people who push this stuff don't want V8's. they don't like SUV's, Trucks or sports cars. they want all vehicles to be some version of a volt. they can't do that all at once, so they simply take an incremental approach. regardless of how efficient company fleets were to become, they'll always take the position that they can be more efficient.
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Camaro rumor mill history
in 1979-3rd gen to be FWD no V8 in 1991-4th gen to be FWD no V8 in 2000-5th gen (if made) FOR SURE FWD no V8 in 2013-6th gen to be FWD no V8 It's a track record like a middle east peace agreement. lol
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There will be V8's forever. Right now Detroit is all about the muscle NO Way any of these 3 drop the V8 option during this muscle war. What is nice is the V6 is becoming a real force with the Indy racing league getting up to 700 horsepower out of these frowned upon "6 bangers" , If they could make a Camaro with 450 HP and 35/40 miles a gallon that would be pretty sweet .
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I would say that V8's will be limited eventually to special applications such as larger trucks, and sports cars, like the Camaro, Mustang and Corvette. It may even have to be limited editions of those cars.
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Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together will see that doubling the mileage requirement in 12 years is going to mean that they will need to add a lot of exotic technology to all cars, plus sell lotfulls of volts and "eco" things to make up for each V8. To make up for a V8 getting 35MPG in 2025, they would need to sell "offsetting" 55MPG cars at a 20:1 ratio to get an average of 54. Also remember that the V8 car is now competing for the sliver of sub-54MPG of production capacity with pickups and SUVs that will also not get 54MPG. So, the V8 people will be paying extra $$$ for all the exotic tech and materials in their cars to get them to get as much as 35MPG, then they will have to pay a premium price to help lower the retail prices of the less desireable "eco" cars, so enough saps will buy them to offset their V8 car. In essence, the V8 price will "necessarily skyrocket" in order to discourage "bad consumer choices" and subsidize the offsetting econoboxes. Why is this so hard for some people to grasp? |
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The writer talks about the "market changing" as if it is just happening spontaneously all by itself, and what is happening is not due to artificial manipulations.
I don't know if I am saddened more by the statistics presented by the author, or the sad state of media/journalism these days. |
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01-10-2013, 08:58 PM | #42 |
Just for the hell of it, I want to take a step back for a minute...
Why does it have to be about how many cylinders you have (if any)? Like many have already said. If GM can make a 6 cylinder engine that cranks out just as much, if not more that an 8 and gets good mileage to boot, why is it a bad thing. If you look at the raw power, or muscle I guess we are talking about here, as long as it is substantial, why does it matter what kind of engine it is coming from. Seems some people are stuck in the belief that just because there is a push for more efficient vehicles that we are all going to end up driving something that looks, feels, handles, and performs like a Prius. Even if some day we go all electric, does that mean they will do away with "performance/muscle" cars? As long as there is a market for this kind of vehicle, I believe they will be made. Look at stuff like what Tesla is doing. Aren't those very fast, high performance cars? Don't they look pretty bad ass (IMO) ? And they don't have ANY cylinders? Wasn't their first run roadsters doing the quarter mile in the mid 11s? Wouldn't that qualify as being muscle? Isn't that faster than most standard v8s? Yes, I know that it is a very expensive super car.... but my point is, it is possible to make fast, high performance, bad ass, good looking cars that don't have to burn a ton of Dino juice. In ten years I believe that we will still have high performance, good looking cars that are still obtainable by the middle class man (assuming there is still a middle class) that will also burn less foreign oil and pump less smoke into the air we must all breathe. Power is power, why is it so important as to how it is created? Times change, soon we find out new and improved, more efficient ways of doing things. When the internal combustion engine goes obsolete, something else will take its place. 400hp is 400hp, no matter how much gas it does or doest burn, and how many cylinders it takes (if any) to do it. In 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 years, man will still want to go fast as he can ,and will find a way to do it with the technology available at that time. I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, or start a political or otherwise debate. I'm just saying... technology will forever change and evolve, and we have to roll with it. As long as people will demand fast, good looking cars, and there is money to be made, they WILL find a way to make them. I want my space ship to go warp 10, even if it is running on dylithium crystals instead of old fashioned petroleum.
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