[JFM-jr]

I enjoy reading arguments over the internet that is all I have to add here carry on.

[Steph93lx]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

HR lying, no....Ford possibly. Remember the Ecoboost tests by MT showing the car was consistently slower than the 1st media car they reviewed every time they retested it. Could Ford have left their own performance tune in it? It's possible, but I'm not reaching for conspiracies either. Just that something happened to the EB Mustangs before.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/ecobo...etting-slower/



1st off I'm still waiting for proof a PP w/o MagRide doesn't have Drag Mode. Maybe you missed that with all the useless banter in this thread.

2nd, Lund car is a non PP with 3.15s. So of course they didn't have Drag Mode, thought you knew what you were talking about here.

Lund car is not a base car It's a 301a package. It come with drag mode and the big screen radio and it does have the 3.15 gear without the pp1. That's exactly like I am getting except Lund have add the black accent package.

Base car even with pp1 don't have the toggle switch for the drag mode. The pp2 package will come automatically with the drag mode with toggle switch as it a mandatory 301A package with 6 speed manual.

If you look at my post I am just putting fact without getting too involve in the Camaro vs Mustang debate.

I tune my cars myself and know Mustang stuff detail and package pretty well.
The info I put is for the benefit of everybody. If you don't believe me I can't do nothing about it!

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by GreaseMonkey83

The '18 Auto GT PP's should be door to door with our auto SS's. The M6 GT's will still get cars put on them by the M6 SS's no matter how many PP's ford bolts to them. When the SS's gets the 10 spd auto, they'll go back to gapping the GT's. And so on and so forth.

Ugh I hate to post in this circle jerk shit fest, but I fully disagree with you on the SS getting the 10 speed is going to cause the SS to "gap GT's". The difference from going from 8 Speed auto to the 10 speed auto is not going to be as drastic as you think. Especially if GM continues with the gearing they have now. The biggest reason the auto made a huge jump in the GT is because it went from a 6 speed. I don't see an A10 SS dropping much. I could be wrong, I just don't see it happening.

Why do you say the M6 SS is always going to "put cars on an M6 GT no matter what?"

It's a drivers race regardless. Have fun with your internet bench racing.

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

Ugh I hate to post in this circle jerk shit fest, but I fully disagree with you on the SS getting the 10 speed is going to cause the SS to "gap GT's". The difference from going from 8 Speed auto to the 10 speed auto is not going to be as drastic as you think. Especially if GM continues with the gearing they have now. The biggest reason the auto made a huge jump in the GT is because it went from a 6 speed. I don't see an A10 SS dropping much. I could be wrong, I just don't see it happening.

Why do you say the M6 SS is always going to "put cars on an M6 GT no matter what?"

It's a drivers race regardless. Have fun with your internet bench racing.

BUT...............the A8 wakes up going from the 28" tire to the 26" tire with having a 2.77 out back. So a A10 may actually see a nice improvement.

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by Snowblind

If the pass is legit then I say congrats and welcome to the party....finally.

The thing that does raise an eyebrow with me is the 6 ft of rubber he caught on the 1-2 shift. I would have to ask the ZL1 guys if they get such a positive shift in their trans (I know the programming is different though).

We can only achieve that type of shifting with a TCM tweak in the A8.

Thank you!!! 95.2mph in the 1/8 were everyone else is seeing 93 in the same conditions. Hell the LUND CAR tuned went 96 on the drag pack..

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

BUT...............the A8 wakes up going from the 28" tire to the 26" tire with having a 2.77 out back. So a A10 may actually see a nice improvement.

Me and others did it personally and got gains. I’ve said it a couple times. About .2 just from that.

Add in the slightly better shifting, less drivetrain loss and less loss between shifts. Camaro should gain .2-3 from the a10 swap. But as said we have to see how they gear the SS

If they also add a power bump then the SS will have a clear advantage. But I doubt they will

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

Lund car is not a base car It's a 301a package. It come with drag mode and the big screen radio and it does have the 3.15 gear without the pp1. That's exactly like I am getting except Lund have add the black accent package.

Base car even with pp1 don't have the toggle switch for the drag mode. The pp2 package will come automatically with the drag mode with toggle switch as it a mandatory 301A package with 6 speed manual.

If you look at my post I am just putting fact without getting too involve in the Camaro vs Mustang debate.

I tune my cars myself and know Mustang stuff detail and package pretty well.
The info I put is for the benefit of everybody. If you don't believe me I can't do nothing about it!

Have a hard rime believeing LUND didn’t use drag mode. These guys drag and testing, so why would they not use it? Don’t make any sense.

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Have a hard rime believeing LUND didn’t use drag mode. These guys drag and testing, so why would they not use it? Don’t make any sense.

BECAUSE THAT LEAVES THE BIGGEST THING OUT THERE!!!


"ITS GOT MORE IN IT!"

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

Lund car is not a base car It's a 301a package. It come with drag mode and the big screen radio and it does have the 3.15 gear without the pp1. That's exactly like I am getting except Lund have add the black accent package.

Base car even with pp1 don't have the toggle switch for the drag mode. The pp2 package will come automatically with the drag mode with toggle switch as it a mandatory 301A package with 6 speed manual.

If you look at my post I am just putting fact without getting too involve in the Camaro vs Mustang debate.

I tune my cars myself and know Mustang stuff detail and package pretty well.
The info I put is for the benefit of everybody. If you don't believe me I can't do nothing about it!

Ok now it makes senses. I don't know why but I was reading you thought Drag Mode required MagneRide. My apologies. I also didn't realize that a base car without 301A didn't have the Drive Modes to begin with. So it adds up now, either a base with 301A or a Premium. It also didn't help almost every review that mentions Drag Mode, is a PP car.

As far as Lund not using it for their run, that seems even more suspect now since they ran a better 60' than Smith did with a PP. Either Lund had tuned out TM but left the ECU stock, or the 3.15 with A/S tires car is the better car to launch. Just odd to say the least, but if I was in the market...I'd be getting a non-PP car and save a lot of money.

[Steph93lx]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Have a hard rime believeing LUND didn’t use drag mode. These guys drag and testing, so why would they not use it? Don’t make any sense.

There a very good reason for a tuner to do so especially the same day they are testing their tune. Think about it!

[TEEZYSS]

FTW FUELS LOL!

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Me and others did it personally and got gains. I’ve said it a couple times. About .2 just from that.

Add in the slightly better shifting, less drivetrain loss and less loss between shifts. Camaro should gain .2-3 from the a10 swap. But as said we have to see how they gear the SS

If they also add a power bump then the SS will have a clear advantage. But I doubt they will

Agreed we have to see how it's geared in the SS. As of now I'm guessing .1-.2 max. I could be wrong, and I could be right. It's all pure guesswork at this point.

All the auto pony/muscle car gains lately we have seen come from A5-A8 (Dodge, huge difference replacing that ancient monstrosity), A6-A8 (GM, that A6 completely sucked and needed a good tune to make it worth while. My G8 GT stock trans tune was terrible). A6-A10 (Ford, the 6r80 was a strong transmission and could definitely take a beating, but the 10 speed shifts much better).

We could see the soft launch in the Camaro with the 10 speed, I mean it launches great with the 8 speed. GM just could use a little more aggressive gearing.

I'm anxious to see what comes about in the next couple years when I'm ready to replace my current car.

My favorite part of the Coyote is they have yet to implement any sort of AFM into the auto. I'm not quite familiar with how the new SS is with AFM, but my G8 GT with the older variation of it was terrible. Was so happy to tune it out. My current car is leagues better, but not what I want in a muscle/sport sedan.

Aaaand just like that I get dragged into this conversation again. This is a never ending war.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

FTW FUELS LOL!

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[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

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Some of those little tricks to make "hero passes" Level playing field that's slanted but its still "stock"