Where are the Single Point of Failures? Try to eliminate them.

Gearslammer · 10-16-2016, 11:48 AM

Ok, you are driving somewhere on a long road trip and your car stops running. If it is the fuel pump in the tank or direct fuel pump up under the intake you are hosed. In my Gen 4 Z28 I cut an access hole to be able to replace the fuel pump on the road in under 30 minutes. Where the heck is the fuel pump tank access hole on the Gen 6? Doesn't exist! On my Gen 4, I sometimes carry an extra ECM, MAF, EGR, Smog parts, distributor, coil, water pump, heater hoses and gaskets. On the Gen 6 fortunately some of these parts are not used. Do you know where the Crank Sensor is on the new LT1? It is on the block, ride side. So where are the Single Point of Failures and how can they be eliminated? Come on Chev engineers, you can do better than all the crappy coolant plastic parts on an SS! I will replace them with metal parts and they will never fail.

Number 3 · 10-16-2016, 12:10 PM

Wow! Amazing that you think you can add a part that will never fail.

In any modern car if you are carrying around the parts list you do it would probably go down as the worst car of all time.

Plastic parts, by the way, are NOT any indication of a part that will fail. Plastics and composites are often a BETTER solution for cost, weight and performance.

Now if you want to push the engine to the right in the stress - strength curve, you can simply start adding money to both the cost of the car and cost of any replacement parts.

You are misguided to think GM engineers aren't aware of what it takes to meet the requirements in a modern performance car. They do.

Gearslammer · 10-16-2016, 12:18 PM

Obviously I don't need to have a part never fail but the goal should be to reduce the Mean Time to Repair (MTTR). If you like to spend $1000 to replace a fuel pump, go right ahead. I don't like that cost! It is not ok with me. Even Hondas and BMWs have fuel pump access holes, many times under the rear seat.

SSDan · 10-16-2016, 12:44 PM

OP - between this post and your one on run flat tires I get a kick out of your Mad Max view of the world. "Be ready for anything. Carry everything you own with you."

I'm of the opposite mind. I carry no spare parts with me for any car I own or have owned. After thousands and thousands of miles with several different vehicles built since the 90's I've never had any of the road side failures you've mentioned. Now my 60's and 70's cars weren't so good.

Gearslammer · 10-16-2016, 12:54 PM

Yes, Mad Max was entertaining. Glad you were amused.

Megahurtz · 10-16-2016, 01:04 PM

I would hate to have your pessimistic views on life. If the Camaro is such a POS that requires you to carry all the replacement parts why did you buy another one? Also, replacing parts with metal parts will make the car a heavy POS like the Gen 4's were.

SMH I hope you're just trolling.

bybcous · 10-16-2016, 02:14 PM

If this car was 10 years old, i would carry a part or two on a road trip, but is brand new, get a spare tire and call it a fay.

enzia35 · 10-16-2016, 02:18 PM

That's the second time today I've seen someone mess up the word day.

bybcous · 10-16-2016, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by enzia35

That's the second time today I've seen someone mess up the word day.

Spell check on android is no good

vtirocz · 10-16-2016, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Megahurtz

I would hate to have your pessimistic views on life. If the Camaro is such a POS that requires you to carry all the replacement parts why did you buy another one? Also, replacing parts with metal parts will make the car a heavy POS like the Gen 4's were.

SMH I hope you're just trolling.

I mostly agree with what you wrote, but 4th gens were ~250 lb lighter than the 6th gen.

MiamiBlueCamaro · 10-16-2016, 03:32 PM

Repair stuff like a boss:
https://youtu.be/qDK86kzgUPg

Megahurtz · 10-16-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vtirocz

I mostly agree with what you wrote, but 4th gens were ~250 lb lighter than the 6th gen.

Yes true they were. I suppose I meant HP to weight ratio in my mind when I wrote that.

Moc96 · 10-16-2016, 06:14 PM

I just make sure I have a quick detail spray and micro-fiber in case of bird shit. The clear on this car leaves much to be desired. But the performance more than makes up for it, in my opinion anyways.

Hyper16 · 10-16-2016, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Moc96

I just make sure I have a quick detail spray and micro-fiber in case of bird shit. The clear on this car leaves much to be desired. But the performance more than makes up for it, in my opinion anyways.

And one of those long things with the three prongs on the end that you can open & close from the handle. For fetching stuff that falls under the seat.

Here it is. These things are priceless. https://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Claw.../dp/B000RB7AGY

10-16-2016, 11:48 AM	#1
Gearslammer Drives: Z28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Sacramento Posts: 75	Where are the Single Point of Failures? Try to eliminate them. Ok, you are driving somewhere on a long road trip and your car stops running. If it is the fuel pump in the tank or direct fuel pump up under the intake you are hosed. In my Gen 4 Z28 I cut an access hole to be able to replace the fuel pump on the road in under 30 minutes. Where the heck is the fuel pump tank access hole on the Gen 6? Doesn't exist! On my Gen 4, I sometimes carry an extra ECM, MAF, EGR, Smog parts, distributor, coil, water pump, heater hoses and gaskets. On the Gen 6 fortunately some of these parts are not used. Do you know where the Crank Sensor is on the new LT1? It is on the block, ride side. So where are the Single Point of Failures and how can they be eliminated? Come on Chev engineers, you can do better than all the crappy coolant plastic parts on an SS! I will replace them with metal parts and they will never fail.

10-16-2016, 12:10 PM	#2
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,172 View My Garage	Wow! Amazing that you think you can add a part that will never fail. In any modern car if you are carrying around the parts list you do it would probably go down as the worst car of all time. Plastic parts, by the way, are NOT any indication of a part that will fail. Plastics and composites are often a BETTER solution for cost, weight and performance. Now if you want to push the engine to the right in the stress - strength curve, you can simply start adding money to both the cost of the car and cost of any replacement parts. You are misguided to think GM engineers aren't aware of what it takes to meet the requirements in a modern performance car. They do. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

10-16-2016, 12:18 PM	#3
Gearslammer Drives: Z28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Sacramento Posts: 75	Obviously I don't need to have a part never fail but the goal should be to reduce the Mean Time to Repair (MTTR). If you like to spend $1000 to replace a fuel pump, go right ahead. I don't like that cost! It is not ok with me. Even Hondas and BMWs have fuel pump access holes, many times under the rear seat. Last edited by Gearslammer; 10-16-2016 at 12:36 PM.

10-16-2016, 12:44 PM	#4
SSDan Drives: 2016 1SS 6MT NPP Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lake Murray, SC Posts: 2,245 View My Garage	OP - between this post and your one on run flat tires I get a kick out of your Mad Max view of the world. "Be ready for anything. Carry everything you own with you." I'm of the opposite mind. I carry no spare parts with me for any car I own or have owned. After thousands and thousands of miles with several different vehicles built since the 90's I've never had any of the road side failures you've mentioned. Now my 60's and 70's cars weren't so good. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS Hyper Blue 6MT NPP 2010 Camaro 2SS Cam/Headers/CAI/3.91 gears 476 rwhp/440 rwtq (sold)

10-16-2016, 02:14 PM	#7
bybcous Drives: 2016 Hyper Blue 1SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: hampton roads Posts: 2,763	If this car was 10 years old, i would carry a part or two on a road trip, but is brand new, get a spare tire and call it a fay. __________________ 1ss/Auto-Hyper Blue acs carbon flash spoiler, bmr springs, gm clear tails. Texas speed cam, 223/227 .635/.635 116 LSA, Kooks Long Tube Headers with green cats, MSD Atomic Air Force Intake, CAI Cold Air Intake, QTP cutouts. 503 hp Best so far 11.5 at 123 with a 1.83 60ft. BMR lower and upper trailing arms and upper control arms,E85 DELIVERED 12/29/15 http://youtube.com/bybcous " no talking only racing on my youtube"

10-16-2016, 12:54 PM	#5
Gearslammer Drives: Z28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Sacramento Posts: 75	Yes, Mad Max was entertaining. Glad you were amused.

10-16-2016, 01:04 PM	#6
Megahurtz Snackbar Tuning Drives: 2023 SGM ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Florida Posts: 1,118	I would hate to have your pessimistic views on life. If the Camaro is such a POS that requires you to carry all the replacement parts why did you buy another one? Also, replacing parts with metal parts will make the car a heavy POS like the Gen 4's were. SMH I hope you're just trolling.

10-16-2016, 02:18 PM	#8
enzia35 Drives: '16 Garnet Red 1SS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 3,450	That's the second time today I've seen someone mess up the word day. __________________ '16 Camaro 1SS '18 Miata GT Gone: '01 Camaro, '14 Camaro, '90 Miata

10-16-2016, 03:32 PM	#11
MiamiBlueCamaro Drives: Gen 6 Camaro RS Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Miami FL Posts: 1,725	Repair stuff like a boss: https://youtu.be/qDK86kzgUPg Attached Images

10-16-2016, 06:14 PM	#13
Moc96 Account Suspended Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: USA Posts: 233	I just make sure I have a quick detail spray and micro-fiber in case of bird shit. The clear on this car leaves much to be desired. But the performance more than makes up for it, in my opinion anyways.

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