Center Speaker/Audio Question

[Dan's Fun Car]

I can attest that the quality is better with the center speaker disconnected. I did quite a bit of research on this forum about the sound system in the car and there were several threads talking about whether it is worth it or not.

Personally, I completely agree the system sounds better without the center speaker connected. It's a noticeable difference in sound, though it does make it where you have to turn it up to achieve the same level...two clicks of the volume control and well worth it IMO.

******** had a great harness to put in a whole new amp without splicing lines but it doesn't seem like he's in business anymore. That was the only way I believe to retain all the bells/whistles/onstar in the car

[Dan's Fun Car]

hahaha ***** blocked out the name. A vendor I saw on here had it, though I think the account may be suspended now.

[Lawdog86]

He is still in business you can find him on the internet.

[VeeGeeTea]

[QUOTE=Snoman;9375362]The reason it distorts the sound stage is because for the driver, the left ear hears the left speakers and the right ear hears two different speakers from two different distances playing the exact same sound. This creates a minor echo affect. The passenger receives the opposite affect. QUOTE]

If you can hear a delay in audio for either the passenger or the driver then it means you have faulty hardware to begin with. You shouldn't be hearing echo at all within your vehicle. It sounds like your digital-analog audio processor may be the issue. Are you using aftermarket components by any chance? with the BA factory systems, you shouldn't have this kind of issue as the engineers there had already figured out the kinks.

[Snoman]

Originally Posted by VeeGeeTea

If you can hear a delay in audio for either the passenger or the driver then it means you have faulty hardware to begin with. You shouldn't be hearing echo at all within your vehicle. It sounds like your digital-analog audio processor may be the issue. Are you using aftermarket components by any chance? with the BA factory systems, you shouldn't have this kind of issue as the engineers there had already figured out the kinks.

You're not making any sense at all. You might need to take a few minutes and ask someone to help you comprehend this thread appropriately.

[Rainbow1616]

Originally Posted by Snoman

You're not making any sense at all. You might need to take a few minutes and ask someone to help you comprehend this thread appropriately.

+1

[Dan's Fun Car]

Originally Posted by Lawdog86

He is still in business you can find him on the internet.

Yeah, I sent him an email asking some questions and haven't gotten a response. I may try again.

[VeeGeeTea]

The point of the center speaker is to eliminate the ITD experiences. It's an important part for the localization of sounds. Think of it this way, you're on the driver seat, and pretend that sound wave are in liquid form. When you play a sound that is projected by only the speakers on your doors, which speaker would most likely get you wet first? the one on the left by the driver seat or the one by the front passenger?

The purpose of the center speaker is to get both the driver and the passenger wet simultaneously on both sides. It allows the wave-forms to reach both ears and perfectly match up in synchronicity.

By removing the center speaker, both the driver and front passenger will experience ITD. Driver gets hit from the left first and passenger from the right.

[Lawdog86]

VeeGeeTea, I know some of the aftermarket radios have a way to tune the sound so it raises on side a little more than the other to offset this. https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-CD-MC...JWRQW4WRT072DD

Dan's, yes he can be slow getting back to you.

[Dan's Fun Car]

Cool. Thanks, I'll shoot him another email.

[CreeperRS]

Originally Posted by VeeGeeTea

You need the center speaker, it's the cross-over audio between Left and Right speaker.
It equalizes the audio. Without the center speaker, one side of your vehicle would often sound louder than the other.

Your center speaker is where the vocal part of the audio will be projected, without that, your music will sound very muddy.

The tweeters on each door handles the high pitch audio, things like cymbals, that perfect note when your guitar goes wah wah.

The woofer part of left and right doors handles audio likes drums, just enough for that kick to sound authentic.

The two rear speakers/woofer on the back of your car handles the bass of the audio, just enough boom and thump without distorting the rest of your speakers.


Each of these are crucial to your listening experience.

What are you smoking??
Quit making stuff up!

[Imdyinhere]

Originally Posted by VeeGeeTea

The point of the center speaker is to eliminate the ITD experiences. It's an important part for the localization of sounds. Think of it this way, you're on the driver seat, and pretend that sound wave are in liquid form. When you play a sound that is projected by only the speakers on your doors, which speaker would most likely get you wet first? the one on the left by the driver seat or the one by the front passenger?

The purpose of the center speaker is to get both the driver and the passenger wet simultaneously on both sides. It allows the wave-forms to reach both ears and perfectly match up in synchronicity.

By removing the center speaker, both the driver and front passenger will experience ITD. Driver gets hit from the left first and passenger from the right.

@VeeGeeTea, keep this in mind. the center speaker reproduces sound in mono. That means that the sound coming from that speaker is a combination of both channels, effectively limiting the stereo experience. It decreases separation of the audio signal creating a more homogeneous sound. It does elevate the stage to above the dash where its supposed to be but left/right separation is almost 100% diminished. By deleting the center channel, the stage is lowered somewhat, but stereo separation is better giving a much better left/right listening experience. The low quality of the OEM speakers severely limit the overall ambiance of the tweeters specifically, making them sound "muddy". Since the OP will be replacing these with a truly superior JL product, he should see a much clearer and distinct stage without the center speaker. Capiche?

[ClawSS]

@VeeGeeTea, and also the left and right speakers are still playing. The "echo" previously mentioned is from the events reaching the ear. Your get wet analogy would be the second splash just a little behind the first and depending on the Hz of the note, it could be quite detectable. DSPs use the center and I recommend the largest center channel driver that will fit in the hole. MS-8 is a great DSP that wants a center channel for timing and separation given multiple mic points...although you really only play one position at a time.

It is also cool if you use your car as a mobile movie theater attempting to mimic your HT setup at home. If no movie or DSP involved...kill it. Kill it with fire!

[Snoman]

Even with a DSP, the only single legitimate use of a center channel is for watching movies or a show using THX, DTS or otherwise compatible 5.1 data stream. This does not exist in music recordings and has been extremely well documented to degrade the stereo listening environment/experience.