[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If we find out that this time is legit then I wonder how the Shelby guys will feel after spending crazy ADMs on their car just to have it get beaten by a GT with much less hp. And I wonder how the GT will do on the track and if Shelby sales will take a dive.

Shelby sales are already down I think. We have a dealer here that can't sell one after two years. Ford won't continue them after this year. The Voodoo has been a nightmare if you ask me.

[ISHLISS]

Originally Posted by travislambert

That's a 10th faster than I've ever been able to achieve with my M6 ZL1. I'm pretty confident GM will have the A10 in the 2019 SS (if not before). When they do I hope they have a software update ready for the guys who bought the '17 M6 ZL1s.

I know the A10 is better suited for drag racing, but come on... With ~190 more horsepower, the manual transmission ZL1s should at least be able to keep up... It should be embarrassing to GM that their manual transmission ZL1s can't launch.

Plenty of M6 ZL1s in the 11s man, think you just need a lot more seat time.

[1LEMATT]

Originally Posted by travislambert

That's a 10th faster than I've ever been able to achieve with my M6 ZL1. I'm pretty confident GM will have the A10 in the 2019 SS (if not before). When they do I hope they have a software update ready for the guys who bought the '17 M6 ZL1s.

I know the A10 is better suited for drag racing, but come on... With ~190 more horsepower, the manual transmission ZL1s should at least be able to keep up... It should be embarrassing to GM that their manual transmission ZL1s can't launch.

Sounds like you need the driver mod big time. My friend ran 11.7 in his bone stock M6 ZL1...

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by ISHLISS

Plenty of M6 ZL1s in the 11s man, think you just need a lot more seat time.

This.

[travislambert]

Just because a few people can figure out how to manipulate the car to get a reasonable launch doesn't mean there isn't an issue with the car.

Currently 77 out of 97 people (~80%) feel the car has an issue launching.
(http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9959946)

I've been told in person by one of the lead Camaro engineers that they are aware of the issues launching the car and that there would be a software update.

In some ways I agree with you guys. Sure, more seat time couldn't hurt. However, I'm positive there is an issue with the car that makes it much harder to launch than it should be.

So don't laugh too hard. You'll see if/when this software update is ever released.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by travislambert

Just because a few people can figure out how to manipulate the car to get a reasonable launch doesn't mean there isn't an issue with the car.

Currently 77 out of 97 people (~80%) feel the car has an issue launching.
(http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9959946)

I've been told in person by one of the lead Camaro engineers that they are aware of the issues launching the car and that there would be a software update.

In some ways I agree with you guys. Sure, more seat time couldn't hurt. However, I'm positive there is an issue with the car that makes it much harder to launch than it should be.

So don't laugh to hard. You'll see if/when this software update is ever released.

Does this bog even effect normal driving for you M6 ZL1 guys?

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Does this bog even effect normal driving for you M6 ZL1 guys?

The daily driving issue is more of a wheel slip issue. A small amount of wheel slip at low speed causes an overaggressive response to try to regain traction.

It boils down to the fact that GM uses a wheel slip calculation that is based on a percentage. So when you are moving slow on take off, say 1 MPH, if you have 1 MPH of wheel slip... which is almost imperceptible... that's 100% wheel slip! The computer panics because it thinks there's no traction and pulls a severe amount of ignition timing (in an attempt to regain traction)... This leaves the driver with a WTF just happened feeling.

I'm not exactly sure why, but the 6th Gen SS and the SS 1LE do not seem to have the same problem (at least not to the same extent).

[DFW1LE]

Lets face it, M6 cars (SS and ZL1) cannot compete against comparably prepped automatic cars. Not sure if Chevy can do anything to close that gap.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by DFW1LE

Lets face it, M6 cars (SS and ZL1) cannot compete against comparably prepped automatic cars. Not sure if Chevy can do anything to close that gap.

I agree 100%. But when a manual transmission car with 190 more horsepower and 230 more ft-lb of torque can't at least keep up with an otherwise similar automatic car, that's an indication of a problem.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by DFW1LE

Lets face it, M6 cars (SS and ZL1) cannot compete against comparably prepped automatic cars. Not sure if Chevy can do anything to close that gap.

No point in closing the gap. You want a drag car, get an automatic, you want a fun track car get a manual...

You just want a fun car in general, get a manual. Every time I buy an automatic performance car, I get bored and sell it within a year. No more of that nonsense lol...

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by travislambert

The daily driving issue is more of a wheel slip issue. A small amount of wheel slip at low speed causes an overaggressive response to try to regain traction.

It boils down to the fact that GM uses a wheel slip calculation that is based on a percentage. So when you are moving slow on take off, say 1 MPH, if you have 1 MPH of wheel slip... which is almost imperceptible... that's 100% wheel slip! The computer panics because it thinks there's no traction and pulls a severe amount of ignition timing (in an attempt to regain traction)... This leaves the driver with a WTF just happened feeling.

I'm not exactly sure why, but the 6th Gen SS and the SS 1LE do not seem to have the same problem (at least not to the same extent).

Wow, that would drive me nuts...thankfully not an issue on mine.

Originally Posted by travislambert

I agree 100%. But when a manual transmission car with 190 more horsepower and 230 more ft-lb of torque can't at least keep up with an otherwise similar automatic car, that's an indication of a problem.

Yes, but you are comparing the slowest M6 ZL1 times (many have gotten into the 11's) with a possible "hero" like time of another car. Too many variables too.

[DFW1LE]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

No point in closing the gap. You want a drag car, get an automatic, you want a fun track car get a manual...

You just want a fun car in general, get a manual. Every time I buy an automatic performance car, I get bored and sell it within a year. No more of that nonsense lol...

Actually if available, I would opt for an a10 and get the best of both worlds. Its only a matter of time.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I can't find any info on this anywhere. But I wonder why they're only posting the tweaked numbers. I'm thinking it must not have done well at all in off the showroom floor condition otherwise they'd be posting up those numbers to. For them to post tweaked times is a bit misleading if you ask me. When the 6th Gen SS came out we had times that were official and in full DD trim with stock tire pressure. So they get the GT and tweak it and put it on a rented track making multiple passes and post the best one...lol!! That thing is a mid 12.

According to the video they put on their facebook page they got 6 passes in.

12.0

12.1 @ 116

12.2 @ 116

those were the three best passes they made according to the video. Take it for what its worth

[vtirocz]

I think it will turn out to be a driver's race once we see more and more acceleration tests / comparison tests between the two. I'm anxious to see the reviews!