[Lazerbrainz2k3]

Originally Posted by chrisvr6

i dont care if the new mustang has more power or drives better,
because it looks not good..

Totally subjective, of course. For example, I think the current Mustang looks great.

[antimatr]

Unless Ford's willing to throw $3100 worth of incentives/cashback my way, they've already lost before they even hit the dealership in my case...

'18 1SS 6M + NPP + 56R wheels - $37511 invoice + D/D

'18 GT 6M + PP + active exhaust (and mandatory 301A equipment group) - $40610 invoice + D/D

If that 301A group wasn't necessary, the price difference would've been a bit closer, but still a $1200 difference, but since apparently Ford couldn't be bothered to design a button/switch for the active exhaust on the dash/console on base GTs...

However, not long after making this initial post, for shits/giggles I priced out both cars, same options but 2SS and GT premium, respectively, and came up with this...

2SS - $42311
GT Premium - $42490

Both cars invoice + D/D. Interesting...but too bad for Ford I'm not interested in buying another 'premium' trim ponycar...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by antimatr

Unless Ford's willing to throw $3100 worth of incentives/cashback my way, they've already lost before they even hit the dealership in my case...

'18 1SS 6M + NPP + 56R wheels - $37511 invoice + D/D

'18 GT 6M + PP + active exhaust (and mandatory 301A equipment group) - $40610 invoice + D/D

If that 301A group wasn't necessary, the price difference would've been a bit closer, but still a $1200 difference, but since apparently Ford couldn't be bothered to design a button/switch for the active exhaust on the dash/console on base GTs...

However, not long after making this initial post, for shits/giggles I priced out both cars, same options but 2SS and GT premium, respectively, and came up with this...

2SS - $42311
GT Premium - $42490

Both cars invoice + D/D. Interesting...but too bad for Ford I'm not interested in buying another 'premium' trim ponycar...

Ford has gotten really bad at that. I know all automakers seem to bundle options together, or other options required, but Ford seems to be the worst lately

[show7ime]

Originally Posted by Lazerbrainz2k3

Totally subjective, of course. For example, I think the current Mustang looks great.

Current Mustang exterior I like. '18? Not liking the front. It looks "smushed" in and less aggressive in my opinion... *shrug*


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[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by Camaro Maybe

In every comparison, it was an SS Wipeout. Now with the increased power, magnaride, 10 speed, etc. I am interested to see if the Mustang has caught up to the Camaro.

It will catch up, so what? Those interested in Mustang's aren't really swayed by Camaro's performance advantages. The value is now likely to sway them, though. The Camaro will still outperform it(with exception of 1/4 mile possibly). You need the PP to match SS performance(if even). If the PP doesn't match standard SS performance I can't see why one would consider it over the Camaro now that pricing is similar.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

It will catch up, so what? Those interested in Mustang's aren't really swayed by Camaro's performance advantages. The value is now likely to sway them, though. The Camaro will still outperform it(with exception of 1/4 mile possibly). You need the PP to match SS performance(if even). If the PP doesn't match standard SS performance I can't see why one would consider it over the Camaro now that pricing is similar.

Don't forget PP2 with an even higher asking price is also on its way next spring. Items the likes of better tyres, forged wheels, eLSD, etc. Don't come too cheap. I bet it'll add a similar $6500 as Camaro's 1LE option.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

It will catch up, so what? Those interested in Mustang's aren't really swayed by Camaro's performance advantages. The value is now likely to sway them, though. The Camaro will still outperform it(with exception of 1/4 mile possibly). You need the PP to match SS performance(if even). If the PP doesn't match standard SS performance I can't see why one would consider it over the Camaro now that pricing is similar.

Plenty of reasons still, and most of them land on the subjective scale, looks, interior looks, colors, visibility (had to lol), current incentives etc etc.

[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Don't forget PP2 with an even higher asking price is also on its way next spring. Items the likes of better tyres, forged wheels, eLSD, etc. Don't come too cheap. I bet it'll add a similar $6500 as Camaro's 1LE option.

Source? The current PP2 seems to be a tune and increased power figures. I don't see why Ford will add a track pack to compete with the GT350.

[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Plenty of reasons still, and most of them land on the subjective scale, looks, interior looks, colors, visibility (had to lol), current incentives etc etc.

I'm referring to the V8 model, unless you're a Mustang loyalist, you will now cross shop since they're at similar price points.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

Source? The current PP2 seems to be a tune and increased power figures. I don't see why Ford will add a track pack to compete with the GT350.

I'm refering to a Performance Pack lvl2 that you can select when ordering, not the Power Packs 1, 2, or 3 currently offered by Ford Performance.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/2017/...mance-package/

The items I listed were simply items that could appear in PP2. They seemed the most logical. Better/grippier, wider, tyres are a given and with those come better wheels. Ford it using eLSD in the new Expedition and Navigator, so its use in a performance application to spread out costs seems likely.

This makes more sence than it seems to on the surface. GT350 cannot be sold in Europe due to not meeting pedestrian safety standards. So a much more track capable car being able to be sold globally is a nice touch. As for here GT350 will sell just for the sake of being a GT350, that may not make any sense to one who looks at this from a logical paradigm, but emotion also plays a part in this kind of purchase.

[grampa_ss]

If the new Mustang could run low 12's, I think we'd already know about it. Hell, Ford bragged about 0-60 in under 4. My guess is 12.5-12.6

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

If the new Mustang could run low 12's, I think we'd already know about it. Hell, Ford bragged about 0-60 in under 4. My guess is 12.5-12.6

I'm pretty certain that this new A10 with the correct options selected will be very capable of low 12s with an anticipated 0-60 time under 4-seconds. It may actually do better in the right conditions.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

I'm refering to a Performance Pack lvl2 that you can select when ordering, not the Power Packs 1, 2, or 3 currently offered by Ford Performance.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/2017/...mance-package/

The items I listed were simply items that could appear in PP2. They seemed the most logical. Better/grippier, wider, tyres are a given and with those come better wheels. Ford it using eLSD in the new Expedition and Navigator, so its use in a performance application to spread out costs seems likely.

This makes more sence than it seems to on the surface. GT350 cannot be sold in Europe due to not meeting pedestrian safety standards. So a much more track capable car being able to be sold globally is a nice touch. As for here GT350 will sell just for the sake of being a GT350, that may not make any sense to one who looks at this from a logical paradigm, but emotion also plays a part in this kind of purchase.

Or it could be the PP2 will arrive at the same the GT500 does, then the GT350 will no longer be offered. Didn't Ford originally say the GT350 would be a limited to a few years?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Or it could be the PP2 will arrive at the same the GT500 does, then the GT350 will no longer be offered. Didn't Ford originally say the GT350 would be a limited to a few years?

This makes sense to me. A GT to compete with the 1LE and the 500 to debut around the same time. It doesn't seem likely that Ford will produce the 350 a and 500 at the same time.