04-03-2017, 09:08 PM | #15 |
Drives: Hyper Blue 2SS Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: CA
Posts: 1,160
|
Camaros have evolved well beyond that car with all the pony logos on it and the long brick with short doors
. . .
__________________
2SS, Hyper Blue, 8-Speed Automatic, NPP Exhaust, Magnetic Ride Control, Sunroof, Navigation, 5-Spoke Low-Gloss Black Wheels, Black Bowtie Emblems, Cargo Mat/Net
Mods: XPEL - Hood, Bumper, Headlights, & Side Mirrors JWM - Side Markers ZL1 Addons - Deluxe Rock Guards & Red Lift Pads GM - Dark Tail Lamps MRR - Gloss Black M017s |
04-03-2017, 11:04 PM | #16 | ||
Drives: X-15 Velocipede Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 4,637
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
04-03-2017, 11:08 PM | #17 |
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Torrance
Posts: 14,403
|
No matter what good news there may be for Camaro, someone will always want to present it as a dark cloud in front of a silver lining....To some here, the only good news, is bad news ....(It fits their doom and gloom narrative better that way).....
P.S. Don't take it personally. |
04-04-2017, 06:29 AM | #18 |
Drives: 2017 2SS 50th Anniversary Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Battle Creek Michigan
Posts: 68
|
|
04-04-2017, 06:35 AM | #19 | |
Blessed ❤️
Drives: 2017 1LT RS I4 Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,577
|
Quote:
__________________
2017 1LT RS I4 A8 BLACK ON BLACK
Kindness and compassion #OthersFirst |
|
04-04-2017, 07:10 AM | #20 |
Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Ohio
Posts: 241
|
What is impressive is the numbers that Dodge (FCA) is still able to sell of that fat wagon-assed, oversized Challenger- which is being manufactured on that ancient platform.
Really amazing. |
04-04-2017, 08:22 AM | #21 |
Drives: Pony Car Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 164
|
So what are those profit margins? Do you know?
Or are you relying on GM's Marketing department for that information.... Dealing in facts, GM has grossly over estimated the demand for the car. Last Year, they added a third shift, and dealer stock shot up to almost record breaking levels. There are currently over 29,000 new Camaros sitting on lots (more than last month). This is a disaster for them. That stock costs money sitting around. For the dealers and for gm over the future. Its not difficult. What are sales for the year to date? What is current stock on lots? So far, Camaro is the lowest selling of the Pony car trio, and has by far, the highest current stock on lots (there are almost double the amount of Camaros on lots than Challengers). Spin it however you want. |
04-04-2017, 09:05 AM | #22 |
7 year Cancer Survivor!
Drives: 17 Cruze RS, 07 G6 GT, 99 Astro Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 21,547
|
93 is $2.30 here and 87 is $1.95
__________________
Cancer's a bitch! Enjoy life while you can! LIVE, LOVE, DRIVE...
The Bird is the word! |
04-04-2017, 09:10 AM | #23 | |
Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carol Stream
Posts: 6,023
|
That is the number that I would have been expecting for the 6th since its launch. Hope it can sustain it now.
Quote:
Damn thats cheap. 87 yesterday when I filled up was 2.36 and 93 was $3.06 |
|
04-04-2017, 09:56 AM | #24 |
Camaro6 2016-2018
Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 18,449
|
|
04-04-2017, 10:32 AM | #25 |
Drives: 86 Mustang GT Convertible Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 102
|
Not sure what you are seeing in the trend lines that is "healthy" or "amazing" for Camaro or Challenger. The Challenger trend line is leveling off after a steady climb and the Camaro is still trending down towards the Challenger line, while the Mustang is still bending upwards despite a new base model refresh around the corner.
|
04-04-2017, 10:45 AM | #26 | |
Drives: Used to be 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS L99 Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 636
|
Quote:
__________________
BEE used to have MyLink with NAV Black 10 spoke FR41 wheels (ZL1 Replica) Roto-fab CF CAI / Scoop and Washer Bottle Relocation KIT Vmax yellow painted ported TB Solo HF Cats with Kooks 2.5" catback SLP Replica Spliter, CF Stripes and CF bowties Hawk ceramic brake pads OEM Strut Tower Brace - Yellow Plastidip Range device - AFM Delete Halo/DRL Harness (Halo/DRL on day and night while driving) Engine Cover/Air Compressor Delete |
|
04-04-2017, 11:19 AM | #27 |
Hail to the King baby!
Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 12,156
|
Missing one key point................how much profit.
All of those things lead to higher ATP (eliminated with the 20% tag), which can be awesome. And yes, selling more SSs with more content always helps. As we've discussed countless times, we don't know GM's total investment, piece cost or labor to determine the price of each Camaro. Further we don't know the Contribution Margin on the Camaro, meaning how much of GM's overhead does the Camaro get to help pay (pensions, healthcare, etc.), so we have no idea how many Camaros GM needs to sell to be profitable. Whenever you run a business case, you have to know the total costs to develop the product and then you can figure out how many you need to sell at what price to make money. If it costs $100,000,000 to develop the Camaro and GM sells one to Rick Hendrick for $100,001,000, I made $1,000. Now the question is would you invest $100,000,000 to make $1,000? No you wouldn't. So unless you have that level of detail, the comments from GM you posted are only favorable things. They do not suggest how much GM makes on a Camaro or if they even make money on a Camaro. Not trying to be a db on this, you just haven't shown the profitability or ROIC that GM is driving business decisions on. Also keep in mind, Opel made outstanding products. They weren't making money. GM sold them at a loss to Peugot.
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley
|
04-04-2017, 11:47 AM | #28 |
Drives: 2017 2SS Hyper Blue Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 550
|
Let me simplify this discussion. If you are a GM stakeholder or the owner of a Gen 6 Camaro, you want production managed so there will be very few 2017's leftover when 2018 MY begins. If you are a vulture driving a beater hoping for 20% off on a car with 5 miles on the odo and equipped the way you want, then you hope GM overproduces.
__________________
Check out my photo blog: https://ronfromtexas.wordpress.com/
|
|
|
Post Reply
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|