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AGM 1LE · 08-24-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ZED SLED

I keep seeing this 1st gear number thrown around, usually by SS owners. Is this for the 6060 in the SS or ZL1? They are different and have different ratios. Anybody?
Or maybe I can find out on the way home from work today, lol.

1LE with 6060-MM6 and 3.91 rear and 29.2in tire
1st gear is 2.66 - 55mph at 6600rpm

SS with 6060-MM10 and 3.45 rear and 28.6in tire
1st gear is 3.01 - 54mph at 6600rpm

ZED SLED · 08-24-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AGM 1LE

1LE with 6060-MM6 and 3.91 rear and 29.2in tire
1st gear is 2.66 - 55mph at 6600rpm

SS with 6060-MM10 and 3.45 rear and 28.6in tire
1st gear is 3.01 - 54mph at 6600rpm

ZL1 with 6060-MG9 and 3.73 gear and 28.4 in tire?
1st gear is 2.66 - ??????

AGM 1LE · 08-24-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ZED SLED

ZL1 with 6060-MG9 and 3.73 gear and 28.4 in tire?
1st gear is 2.66 - ??????

56 mph at 6600rpm

STUNNAH · 08-24-2016, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MrUnsubtleNinja

I should hope the new ZL1 does 0-60 in first gear considering the outgoing GT500 did just slightly over, if I recall mine would go to about 62 MPH before needing to shift in first gear. It's an exilerating feeling and makes the car feel like its accelerating faster than it really is. I'm hoping the new ZL1 does because that will make trading a more likely thing for me.

A preped track has nothing to do with whether or not a car is capable of going 0-60 in first gear. I think you're confusing it with the 1/4 mile time the car will pull or the time it will take to get from 0-60 in real world conditions.

Not confusing with a track time...I'm saying that on a regular street 60mph from 1st gear means nothing and the numbers provided are from closed course tracks...And how can a car feel like it's accelerating faster than it really is???Oxymoron, what would be the point of acceleration???

CamaroFred · 08-25-2016, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AGM 1LE

Its just to make the magazine numbers look better and give the internet racers that buy it but never race it something to brag about imo. Because that is what sells a lot of cars, printed numbers of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. And not having to shift makes this 0-60 slightly faster.

I agree 100%. How often on a public road would you ever consider going 0-60?
Leave a stop signal with a 35MPH limit? 45?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

I keep seeing this 1st gear number thrown around, usually by SS owners. Is this for the 6060 in the SS or ZL1? They are different and have different ratios. Anybody?
Or maybe I can find out on the way home from work today, lol.

Yes, the gear ratios in the TR-6060 are different from the SS to the 1LE as well as different final drive ratios.
Then the ZL1 and Z/28 use the 1LE ratios but with a different final drives redlines, and tire sizes.

MrUnsubtleNinja · 08-25-2016, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by STUNNAH

Not confusing with a track time...I'm saying that on a regular street 60mph from 1st gear means nothing and the numbers provided are from closed course tracks...And how can a car feel like it's accelerating faster than it really is???Oxymoron, what would be the point of acceleration???

Well it seemed like you were because what you said implied that the ZL1 would only do 0-60 in first gear on a preped track even though that has nothing to do with gearing, but now I know what you meant.

As for a car feeling like its going faster than it really is, take the 370Z as an example, it's not particularly fast but the gearing and rev-happy engine makes you feel like you're accerating faster than you actually are. It's purely psycological.

zebra · 08-25-2016, 04:12 AM

i think the point here is that it don't matter how fast or slow you accelerate.
the capability of driving 60mph in 1st gear is simply math and is limited by the max safe RPM of the engine. it's the same as when the C6Z06 came out - 7000 redline allowed it to hit 60 without a shift.

max rpm ÷ trans ratio ÷ rear end ratio x (tire height x π) x 60 ÷ 12 ÷ 5280
. 7000 .. ÷ ... 2.66 .. . ÷ . . . 3.42 . .. . x ( . . 26.7 . . π .) x 60 ÷ 12 ÷ 5280 = 61mph

Barbosa · 08-25-2016, 04:34 AM

The problem today is where do you guys have spirited drives without the Police hassling you or video Cameras watching at every corner? We have speed limits and breaking the speed limit is against the law. License suspended, maybe even jail time if you are way over the limit. This is my biggest complaint about ownership today. Back in the 70s, 80s and early 90s you could hit the open road outside town and open her up, pushing the car to her limits! Today, with all the silly society rules we must abide by, how in heck do you push the Car? Also the expenses of owning a Car keeps going up..... Insurance, sticker, parking violations, speeding tickets, Cops jealous/hassling you, Camera tickets, gas keeps going up, apathetic/inconsiderate people denting your beloved Z at Walmart, costly/timely repairs dealing with often times shady dealerships and mechanics, financing a Car, etc, etc .... And above all most Cars depreciate. Back in the day you could justify it, but today? Not including the paranoid feeling of parking someplace knowing you could be keyed by some jealous punk. Also many of us (not me!) are married so we must beg/convince the wife to to us have the toys we want, and in my friend's case upon the divorce she got his Z.

At the end of the day, you must consider the costs and hassles vs the rewards of owning a high end Sports Car.

My point being that today, in my opinion, this is difficult to justify.

winterboy8 · 08-25-2016, 06:59 AM

I don't know which emoticon I want to use, so I'll use all of them.

2NASSTY · 08-25-2016, 08:43 AM

0-60 while staying in 1st gear is huge on the street and track. This was the major advantage of the C6Z when it came out with the 7000 rpm redline and 1st gear ratio. When your competitor has to shift at 6500 and you don't, he drops back on every gear change.

On the strip, our Cars are very hard to hook up with the 1st gear ratio. I still struggle. Before you know it you have to bang 2nd gear quickly and I'm shifting at 7000 rpm.

The more I learn about this new ZL1, the more I think they have done some serious track time in the 6M and 10 speed Auto which is being delayed. Interesting how this 0-60 6M info was released right after GM announced the 10 speed Auto wont come out until early next year.

A lot of disappointed new ZL1 buyers on the Camaro6 forum.

08-25-2016, 04:12 AM	#21
zebra just can't seem to leave Drives: your mom wild!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cold & windy Posts: 10,625 View My Garage	i think the point here is that it don't matter how fast or slow you accelerate. the capability of driving 60mph in 1st gear is simply math and is limited by the max safe RPM of the engine. it's the same as when the C6Z06 came out - 7000 redline allowed it to hit 60 without a shift. max rpm ÷ trans ratio ÷ rear end ratio x (tire height x π) x 60 ÷ 12 ÷ 5280 . 7000 .. ÷ ... 2.66 .. . ÷ . . . 3.42 . .. . x ( . . 26.7 . . π .) x 60 ÷ 12 ÷ 5280 = 61mph __________________ Eve ('00 FRC): hot-air intake Rowan ('09 H3): 5spd mom-mobile Penny ('99 Sierra): 5.3 / HD 5spd... gone but not forgotten Samson ('18 HD): compounded 408

08-25-2016, 06:59 AM	#23
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08-25-2016, 08:43 AM	#24
2NASSTY Drives: 2014 M6 ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tarpon Springs, Fl Posts: 772	0-60 while staying in 1st gear is huge on the street and track. This was the major advantage of the C6Z when it came out with the 7000 rpm redline and 1st gear ratio. When your competitor has to shift at 6500 and you don't, he drops back on every gear change. On the strip, our Cars are very hard to hook up with the 1st gear ratio. I still struggle. Before you know it you have to bang 2nd gear quickly and I'm shifting at 7000 rpm. The more I learn about this new ZL1, the more I think they have done some serious track time in the 6M and 10 speed Auto which is being delayed. Interesting how this 0-60 6M info was released right after GM announced the 10 speed Auto wont come out until early next year. A lot of disappointed new ZL1 buyers on the Camaro6 forum. __________________ 15' Ashen Gray Metallic Z/28 14' Crystal Red Tintcoat ZL1 6M, 9.62 at 150.75 MPH 12' Opulent Blue Metallic CTS-V Sedan, 10.690 at 129.60 MPH - SOLD 06' LeMans Blue Metallic Z06, 11.726 at 127.80 MPH Motor - SOLD. 96' Impala SS LTx, 11.397 at 118.10 MPH Motor, 1st stage 10.526 at 127.46 MPH

08-25-2016, 04:34 AM	#22
Barbosa Banned Drives: Hummer Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Jupiter, Florida Posts: 63	The problem today is where do you guys have spirited drives without the Police hassling you or video Cameras watching at every corner? We have speed limits and breaking the speed limit is against the law. License suspended, maybe even jail time if you are way over the limit. This is my biggest complaint about ownership today. Back in the 70s, 80s and early 90s you could hit the open road outside town and open her up, pushing the car to her limits! Today, with all the silly society rules we must abide by, how in heck do you push the Car? Also the expenses of owning a Car keeps going up..... Insurance, sticker, parking violations, speeding tickets, Cops jealous/hassling you, Camera tickets, gas keeps going up, apathetic/inconsiderate people denting your beloved Z at Walmart, costly/timely repairs dealing with often times shady dealerships and mechanics, financing a Car, etc, etc .... And above all most Cars depreciate. Back in the day you could justify it, but today? Not including the paranoid feeling of parking someplace knowing you could be keyed by some jealous punk. Also many of us (not me!) are married so we must beg/convince the wife to to us have the toys we want, and in my friend's case upon the divorce she got his Z. At the end of the day, you must consider the costs and hassles vs the rewards of owning a high end Sports Car. My point being that today, in my opinion, this is difficult to justify.