Is it possible Chevy is waiting for...

big dave · 12-13-2015, 07:04 PM

Is it possible that Chevy is waiting to see what Ford and Dodge will be bringing to the table? There have been rumors of a twin turbo 700 plus hp GT500, and a Hellcat Barracuda that promises to be much lighter in weight than their current cars.
I fear that the next uber-camaro will be held back by it's big brother, the Vette. What will the general do it it's severely outgunned again?

Bhobbs · 12-13-2015, 07:54 PM

There's no reason for them to wait. The Z** will have the LT4 and everyone knows what it makes. It's unlikely GM will upgrade the LT4 to exceed the Hellcat or the future GT500 engine.

Jeffro19 · 12-13-2015, 07:57 PM

Yep the next ZL1 or Z28 will have the LT4 and not more than 650hp. Just not gonna happen

big dave · 12-13-2015, 08:02 PM

I pretty much figured as much, but it goes to show just how spoiled we are. The current ZL makes 580hp in a much heavier platform, the new one promises to be significantly lighter. I'm hoping they don't pull the reins back too much to not offend the 'vette owners while in the meantime we're getting killed by the "other" pony cars.

KaBoom1701 · 12-13-2015, 08:51 PM

The next HP Camaro will be the Z28/IROC car with a redesigned LS7 (solve the over heading issues and valve train issue).

It will be announced late next year...

Trans damm · 12-13-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

The next HP Camaro will be the Z28/IROC car with a redesigned LS7 (solve the over heading issues and valve train issue).

It will be announced late next year...

Lol

Number 3 · 12-13-2015, 09:30 PM

Whatever GM decided to do for 2017 was decided well over a year ago.

Only tweaks are possible beyond a certain point. So if GM is waiting for Ford or Fiat to play their hand? It's at least a year to respond and that is if there is no hardware to be changed. A new engine? 4 years to put into production.

velocity149 · 12-14-2015, 08:53 AM

IMO, an LT4 in our new light-weight frame, with the new interior, keeping all the gadgets. Add PDR, some aero goodies, racing seats, and better tires/wheels. You've got a 58k car, that's better than the Hellcat or Mustang.

DenverTaco07 · 12-14-2015, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by velocity149

IMO, an LT4 in our new light-weight frame, with the new interior, keeping all the gadgets. Add PDR, some aero goodies, racing seats, and better tires/wheels. You've got a 58k car, that's better than the Hellcat or Mustang.

$58K is going to be low i think; if you price out a 2SS with NPP, MAgRide, 6 piston brakes, black split spoke you are at $50K. I think these will be included in a ZL1 base w/LT4 - that motor alone is going to add 10K. Then we talk about PDR, seats add another 3 to 4K - a nicely optioned ZL1 is going to be $65K IMO.

I hope i'm wrong and you are right...but man...IDK.

ChefBorOzzy · 12-14-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

$58K is going to be low i think; if you price out a 2SS with NPP, MAgRide, 6 piston brakes, black split spoke you are at $50K. I think these will be included in a ZL1 base w/LT4 - that motor alone is going to add 10K. Then we talk about PDR, seats add another 3 to 4K - a nicely optioned ZL1 is going to be $65K IMO.

I hope i'm wrong and you are right...but man...IDK.

Don't see why the motor alone would add 10k.. This isn't the LS9. I believe cost was the reason Caddy and Camaro got an LSA.

Z06 starts at 80k. I'm also going to say 60k to possibly 65 for ZL1.

BoostedX2 · 12-14-2015, 09:36 AM

Just FYI...the crate price at Pace Performance for an LT1 is 8998, LT4 is 12879, difference of $3881...and I do not believe the LT4 is a hand built motor...Since the production costs are a lower, it seems entirely possible the Camaro HP with supporting mods (HD rears, halfshafts, clutch, etc)...could be right in line with the Hellcat....Thoughts?

DenverTaco07 · 12-14-2015, 09:42 AM

Oh...cool - there's hope then.

Bhobbs · 12-14-2015, 10:03 AM

I'm expecting low to mid 60s for the LT4 6th gen.

Hypertrophy · 12-14-2015, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BoostedX2

Just FYI...the crate price at Pace Performance for an LT1 is 8998, LT4 is 12879, difference of $3881...and I do not believe the LT4 is a hand built motor...Since the production costs are a lower, it seems entirely possible the Camaro HP with supporting mods (HD rears, halfshafts, clutch, etc)...could be right in line with the Hellcat....Thoughts?

I doubt it will reach the same rwHP but with the weight difference it may be close in a straight line. Of course, the 6thgen Z** will out track a hellcat any day of the week, but that's not what the Hellcat was built for. I think the weight/hp ratio for a 6gen camaro with an LT4 is around 5.7lbs/hp. Not sure what the Hellcat's is. Anybody?

12-13-2015, 07:04 PM	#1
big dave Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,052	Is it possible Chevy is waiting for... Is it possible that Chevy is waiting to see what Ford and Dodge will be bringing to the table? There have been rumors of a twin turbo 700 plus hp GT500, and a Hellcat Barracuda that promises to be much lighter in weight than their current cars. I fear that the next uber-camaro will be held back by it's big brother, the Vette. What will the general do it it's severely outgunned again? __________________ '17 ZL1 10.99@129 stock. 4225# raceweight. Best 60'- 1.66 on factory tires. 10.48@132 E50, intake and tune. 4270 lbs https://youtu.be/EyHtdH9XOkY https://youtu.be/Lcu41obbTf8 '13 ZL1 BRM A6. 11.591 @ 119.2 factory stock with a 1.68 60'! Best stock mph 121.8. 11.29 @ 123 RotoFab, drag radials and skinnies. 4360# raceweight. http://youtu.be/yggIA3C_kkA 2014... back to stock http://youtu.be/spQLaTWbThs 2013... stock & RotoFab

12-13-2015, 07:54 PM	#2
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	There's no reason for them to wait. The Z** will have the LT4 and everyone knows what it makes. It's unlikely GM will upgrade the LT4 to exceed the Hellcat or the future GT500 engine. __________________

12-13-2015, 07:57 PM	#3
Jeffro19 Drives: 2018 ZL1 6M, Silverado High Country Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,101	Yep the next ZL1 or Z28 will have the LT4 and not more than 650hp. Just not gonna happen __________________ Previous Camaro's - 2002 Z28 6 spd manual, T tops, Sebring Silver - 2010 2SS 6 spd manual, Cyber Gray Metallic Current Vehicles - 2018 ZL1 Red Hot 6 spd manual, Carbon Hood, Sunroof 2019 Silverado High Country, Daily Driver

12-13-2015, 08:02 PM	#4
big dave Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,052	I pretty much figured as much, but it goes to show just how spoiled we are. The current ZL makes 580hp in a much heavier platform, the new one promises to be significantly lighter. I'm hoping they don't pull the reins back too much to not offend the 'vette owners while in the meantime we're getting killed by the "other" pony cars. __________________ '17 ZL1 10.99@129 stock. 4225# raceweight. Best 60'- 1.66 on factory tires. 10.48@132 E50, intake and tune. 4270 lbs https://youtu.be/EyHtdH9XOkY https://youtu.be/Lcu41obbTf8 '13 ZL1 BRM A6. 11.591 @ 119.2 factory stock with a 1.68 60'! Best stock mph 121.8. 11.29 @ 123 RotoFab, drag radials and skinnies. 4360# raceweight. http://youtu.be/yggIA3C_kkA 2014... back to stock http://youtu.be/spQLaTWbThs 2013... stock & RotoFab

12-13-2015, 08:51 PM	#5
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	The next HP Camaro will be the Z28/IROC car with a redesigned LS7 (solve the over heading issues and valve train issue). It will be announced late next year... __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

12-13-2015, 09:30 PM	#7
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12-14-2015, 08:53 AM	#8
velocity149 Drives: 2014 2SS RS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Oshawa, Ontario. Home of the Camaro Posts: 810	IMO, an LT4 in our new light-weight frame, with the new interior, keeping all the gadgets. Add PDR, some aero goodies, racing seats, and better tires/wheels. You've got a 58k car, that's better than the Hellcat or Mustang. __________________ Thank our veterans for peace today, Support our troops for peace tomorrow. RIP Dad, 1962-2012 SYOTOS

12-14-2015, 09:36 AM	#11
BoostedX2 Drives: VR ZL1 #259/Nissan 370Z NISMO Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,071	Just FYI...the crate price at Pace Performance for an LT1 is 8998, LT4 is 12879, difference of $3881...and I do not believe the LT4 is a hand built motor...Since the production costs are a lower, it seems entirely possible the Camaro HP with supporting mods (HD rears, halfshafts, clutch, etc)...could be right in line with the Hellcat....Thoughts? __________________ 2012 Victory Red ZL1 Lingenfelter 630 Package "Plus" 592 HP/580 TQ

12-14-2015, 09:42 AM	#12
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12-14-2015, 10:03 AM	#13
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	I'm expecting low to mid 60s for the LT4 6th gen. __________________

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