[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

You're forgetting that this is Mustang fanboy math at play..

I have never heard of this net torque stuff until some of those guys brought it up. I have driven both the SS and GT, about 45 minutes apart. There is no question in torque. Anyone who says they feel close in torque is a fan boy and delusional, and cannot be reasoned with.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

Visualize the Z/28 curve shifted over 1500 rpm and you will see that the power curves aren't that different. They operate in different rpm ranges. Torque is all about the LS

[Blackdevil77]

The LS7 is a masterpiece. I don't care what anybody says. If only it didn't have that valve guide wear problem.

[Bhobbs]

It would be nice to see what GM would come up with today. The LS7 is an iconic engine and is still competitive 10 years after it was first built.

[khell86]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

I have never heard of this net torque stuff until some of those guys brought it up. I have driven both the SS and GT, about 45 minutes apart. There is no question in torque. Anyone who says they feel close in torque is a fan boy and delusional, and cannot be reasoned with.

I'm talking specifically the 3:73 geared mustang. Did you drive one of those and then a manual camaro or are you referring to a different combo?

Manual to manual is what im referring too.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by khell86

I'm talking specifically the 3:73 geared mustang. Did you drive one of those and then a manual camaro or are you referring to a different combo?

Manual to manual is what im referring too.

I own a Brembo package Mustang and have 3.73 gears.. Car feels weaker than my LS2 GTO down low,let alone the LT1 Camaro I test drove.

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by khell86

I'm talking specifically the 3:73 geared mustang. Did you drive one of those and then a manual camaro or are you referring to a different combo?

Manual to manual is what im referring too.

No I drove both autos.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Visualize the Z/28 curve shifted over 1500 rpm and you will see that the power curves aren't that different. They operate in different rpm ranges. Torque is all about the LS

same HP so by physics they have the same ability to do work. But the Z/28 has upto 100 ft lbs of torque, so it can help when not in the optimal gear and rev range. Hey I have a 9000 RPM no that is not the red line, that is peak power, built type R, and when you let it fall out of its power band, due to a misjudgment of exit speed, you are PUNISHED. As all that HP turns into a mere 150 or so lbs of torque..... I have a 2.1 engine, the 1.8 are even less forgiving.

I know I know big boys never misjudge exit speed, but Joe normal will appreciate the bigger engine during the weekend warrior jaunts.

Street fights are the same way, I'd take an auto with stall any day, the manual it is hard to judge the speed vs downshift for the quick slapdown. I gotta admit I starting to like this rev match on the M6, as it gives me an audible of what engine RPM, as I may be looking for some "action" and don't have time to check out the RPM... If my type R is put in the wrong gear I'll get absolutely stomped. But with 275 HP and 2400 lbs, I can hold my own from a roll with some pretty decent NA cars. Hey it is a 4 banger.

I'd love to fool with the 5.2 but something tells me I'd love the sound but would be incapable of using it like the scalpel that it is. It has taken me more than a decade to really drive the Type R well.

The 6.2 is just blunt like a sledge. Probably a better tool for plebs like me. Kind of like my LS1 vs my Type R back in the day. The 5.2 a fine engine, and I'm sure there will be guys that can make it sing like no other. 6.2 and hopeful soon a 7.0 direct inject, battle Ax works great.

[mjk3888]

GT350 may not have as much of a power advantage as once thought. Interesting! Videos can be found on youtube of 2016 Camaro SS vs GT350 you might be surprised by the results.

[Mike502]

Originally Posted by shaffe

SpeedIsLife pretty much nailed it.





Voodoo doesn't outpower many V8 engines? Who makes an N/A V8 that makes more power? The Hemi is 475, the LT1 is 460, the LS7 was 505, does any of the german makes even make an N/A V8 any more? The only V8's I can think of that outpower it are the LT4 and the Hellcat



As did BHobbs.okl


Also, the GT is not using the Voodoo bc IIRC the class they want to race in has a displacement cap at 4.0L

BS the Ford GT is racing in the same class as the C7R which has a 5.5 V/8. Both @ Daytona and Le Mans. Ford keeps saying a return to Le Mans but they are not racing for an overall victory. They are not racing against Audi, Porsche or Mercedes in the top racing class. Hype hype and more hype from ford. In 1966 they raced in the top class and won the overall victory . The overall victory is not what they are returning for. In

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by Mike502

BS the Ford GT is racing in the same class as the C7R which has a 5.5 V/8. Both @ Daytona and Le Mans. Ford keeps saying a return to Le Mans but they are not racing for an overall victory. They are not racing against Audi, Porsche or Mercedes in the top racing class. Hype hype and more hype from ford. In 1966 they raced in the top class and won the overall victory . The overall victory is not what they are returning for.

I bet there will be nothing but Crickets from the the Ford camp when they get handled by the C7.R's at LeMans

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

I bet there will be nothing but Crickets from the the Ford camp when they get handled by the C7.R's at LeMans

If, if they get handed.

The FGT's did pretty well at Laguna Seca a few weeks back and put the C7.R's " on the trailer" as it were.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Mike502

BS the Ford GT is racing in the same class as the C7R which has a 5.5 V/8. Both @ Daytona and Le Mans. Ford keeps saying a return to Le Mans but they are not racing for an overall victory. They are not racing against Audi, Porsche or Mercedes in the top racing class. Hype hype and more hype from ford. In 1966 they raced in the top class and won the overall victory . The overall victory is not what they are returning for. In

Before you call "BS" you need to research.

The displacement cap of 4.0L is for forced induction cars, the N/A cap is 5.5L. Ford is actively trying to promote the EcoBoost family of engines, so they went with their tested and proven 3.5EB motor from the Daytona Prototype cars they've been running for a few years.

Also..the class the FGT is running in (LMGTE-Pro, or Le Mans Grand Touring Endurance Professional) for the 2016 24 hours of LeMans includes the C7.R, the Ferrari 488, the Porsche 911 and the Aston Martin Vantange.

Hope this helps clarify the exact nature of the FGT at LeMans.

[Ninjac]

Always good to see FACTS instead of prop up BS you "heard" about.