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"Chevrolet lists SS curb weight as 3,860 pounds. Our test car weighed 3,878, 200-plus pounds heavier than a Boss 302. Weight is the enemy in all vehicle dynamics, including acceleration; the 1LE sprinted to 60 mph in 4.7 seconds and hit the 440-yard mark in 13.1 seconds at 109 mph" http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...maro-ss-1le-2/ |
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04-14-2015, 10:18 PM | #58 | |
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Not sure what point you are trying to make. Previous Caddy's appealed to rich older people, exactly who the ATS was not built for at all. There's not much difference in size compared to 3 series BMWs because that is its direct competitor, but neither are small cars. A small car would be Chevy Cruze, the ATS is not that small. Sporty is a vague term best used by giving context on what is considered sport. With that said, the pursuit of sportiness in cars will not hurt the image of these cars anymore than building a bloated pig of car only capable of going in straight lines. The Dodge Challenger is the closest example to what a muscle car was, and how well has it done sale wise in its lifetime compared to the other two? Also exactly what are you worried about sacrificing for "bragging rights and weight"? Obviously not performance since a car that is lighter with more power will always perform better.
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04-14-2015, 10:23 PM | #59 | |
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Seen and driven. It is larger. And the Camaro will be larger still.
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04-14-2015, 11:27 PM | #60 | ||
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DI is something Ford could "slap right on" the 5L if they wanted. I think they don't want it on there or it would've been done. Many stories when the 5L came out pointed to the fact, it's heads are in need of a hole per cylinder. I don't expect to see it anytime soon on the Mustang 5L. If it gets there though, 40hp increase, BLAM! The GT350 will be quite a bit lighter than the GT, probably more than 100 lb lighter. It gets many changes. A few will carry over(at some point) to the GT, but who knows when... Quote:
Ahead of the Mustang more than ever? Where were you in 1974? Clearly, not checking out cars. For that matter, the 1998 Camaro Z/28 was far and away ahead of the Mustang GT and no, the next Camaro SS will NOT EVEN be that much better. It just won't. In fact, it won't be mentioned in such a fashion by any automotive fan who's done any homework on the matter. To be there, the next Camaro SS would, in base form, have to be roughly a 12.00 car on the 1/4 and would need to annihilate, say... a 2001 Corvette ZO6 on a road course of your choosing. That's an idea of how far off your statement is. When the 5th gen beat that GT ... it was 2010 and the GT still had a 4.6L making 315hp. Even if we only considered the times the SS beat the GT after 2010, it would ALWAYS be a 1LE and never any standard SS. The 1LE is that much better than base... Incredibly better would be my wording. Then you go right to the "what we're going to see" line, as if the new will be so much better than the old, the two are incomparable. To get there, it would also beat up the Corvette in general terms. DO NOT bet on that happening, at least short of 1LE vs base C7. The GT350 is an animal and the R will be some 130 lb lighter than the non R, meaning, "Team Camaro" is going to need to unplug it and get approval to overrun the Corvette in the process. Simply stated, I think you're too full of wishful thinking. It will be great if the 2016 is all you think it's going to be, but let's not put the cart before the horses here. These 2 cars are likely to be close in many aspects and while I'd be stunned if the Camaro didn't win outright, I don't think it's going to just win everything. That's Corvette territory and GM guards Corvette territory like the Secret Service guards the President... well, okay, a little better than that! |
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04-14-2015, 11:41 PM | #61 | |
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Also care to post some proof or technical details on how it is so easy to switch the Coyote to DI? Because another member posted some good reasons why it is not an easy to retrofit.
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Just because the new model doesn't contain something a model before it contained, doesn't mean we can go, "Nuh uh tho' brah!" and claim the car didn't actually change weight as claimed. It's a car, not a slew of parts in a pile. By your analogy, the new Camaro will weigh 200+ lb less than the current because, after all, it will be different and the current has things the new one won't have, like additional weight. The new Mustang, as it is in base form, weighs 87 lb more than the old one did in the same... keyword: BASE ... form. Quote:
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Look at the above analogy... we may as well say, "The base SS can't weigh what it weighs because the 1LE is lighter." Well, the 1LE isn't base. So why are we expecting a base weight to be determined by using the weight of a non - base model? |
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So, the 200lb loss comment was to curb weight. That's awesome. The next question has to be, "Will that be model wide or, like the new F-150's 732lb loss, only on a certain trim level?" while losses on other trims were indeed present, they were less drastic.
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Multiple sources have said since 2010 though, the engine is designed to be DI and I am certain you could find where the Ford engineer who headed up the Mustang engines actually said they started out w/ DI on them, plus you can find photos of the heads which show the area for the port. What we can say is, don't expect a 200+ lb weight loss across the board, but it will be much like the Mustang with base being both available and rare. |
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04-15-2015, 02:51 AM | #65 |
why you have to be so negative?... its like the 3th time in this threat you just say, not its not posible or something like that... at this no body has a clue about the final weight, it could be 3.500 or 3.799...
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Edit: Or... "...Changes like this help reduce total curb weight by up to 200 lbs." Last edited by xgnxs; 04-15-2015 at 09:41 AM. |
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