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I don't think so. I believe it has more to do with drivetrain loss is jus a lot more efficient in these cars now Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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No. Just no.
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The power ratings are SAE certified. It has been discussed before.
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12-28-2015, 02:02 PM | #47 |
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Those tube headers count for something after all
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Biggest advantage the Camaro has is the Torque under the curve. The peak numbers don't really do the actual results justice. Look at the above dyno sheet and you'll see, there are times where the Camaro is making more than 20 lbs more RWTQ. As far as the power these engines are actually making: They under rate engines all the time. Being SAE certified doesn't mean that the engine can not make more. If you go by 15% loss (which is what manuals are traditionally calculated by) the Cars are making 490 (Corvette) and 495 (Camaro) HP at the crank. Even if you used 12%, the Camaro is still at 478 at the crank. We are living in the Golden Age for these cars. I want to call them muscle cars but they are proving to be so much more now. Kudos to GM for building us these machines All the best, Jared Royce 888.308.6007 |
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The OEM must protect emissions, FE, drivability in every condition from -40 to +120, pouring rain, snow, dust...........oh and durability. There is always easy HP to gain. It's why GM can have a team working on a dyno for 6 months to get a drivable calibration, then a whole new team working for another 6 months to get a really good calibration and then 6 more months finalizing it and an aftermarket guy can get you 15 HP in a week after launch. Trust me, if there was HP on the table you would get it. There isn't unless you make the trade offs the OEM can't. Quote:
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for me though, one more reason to spend the extra $$$ for a ZL1 for those that want more power with the backing of the OEM and all that comes with it...like a warranty.
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I guess no one thought about the fact that these two cars have completely different drivetrains or that the difference in power could actually be a variance in engine output of one engine vs the other.
I can remember the 4th gen F body vs C5 dyno test and no one wanted to hear me talking about the drivetrain power robing percentage differences there either. The only thing this test proved to me is that both cars are making about the same power within 1% and that the Camaro engine might (emphasize might) be making more torque at the crank but for sure makes more at the rear wheels. One thing people need to realize though is not all cars have the same drivetrain loss.
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Isn't SAE ratings just to show what the minimum hp/tq the engine will put out? It doesn't say it can't have more, but it can't have less.
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If the drivetrain was made 50 % more efficient, there would be no need for the "standard" differential and tranny coolers, as there would be 50% less heat produced throughout the drivetrain. I say slight drivetrain improvement, significant HP underrating. I bet an accurate rating would be more like 475 - 485 HP. Last edited by 01Camaro; 12-28-2015 at 04:22 PM. |
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