[Gsal93]

Just saw this one already has been posted , friend sent me the pic ��

[scrape]

Damn!

[63falcondude]

Rims remind me of these off of a wrx: http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadte...cvt-wheels.jpg

[avalonandl]

That looks like the Speedway in Milford Mich.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by 63falcondude

Rims remind me of these off of a wrx: http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadte...cvt-wheels.jpg

remind you....

but the differences make a world of difference IMO.

[Mr. Wyndham]

There is a very clear family resemblance, imo....

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

There is a very clear family resemblance, imo....

Compared to last Gen ZL1 - which had decent looking rims, the new ZL1 rims IMO are in a different class, and yes, to add to your point, they have stepped up to corvette class.

[Gen5er]

If that's not the Batmobile I'll eat my shorts. Damn that's sexxxy!

[PH3688]

I wish people would stop with "this car is gonna start out at 65k and under" if the so called "base" SS is any inclination of price then it's easy to figure out this bad boy is going to START out at 70k+/- then you will add on from there. Because the in-between is the 1le, even if that is a 1ss it's still going to be more expensive than the 2ss. Mind you the 1le was for people who couldn't fork out the extra 15-20 grand for the zl1. Plus GM has a long standing history of gouging prices for camaros ahem looking at you 4th gen and 5th gen z/28. And Oppo is out of his mind if this car is going to quote "be almost on par of price in regards to the gen 5 zl1" un quote BS.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by PH3688

Because the in-between is the 1le, even if that is a 1ss it's still going to be more expensive than the 2ss.

You can currently option a 2SS out up to 58K and higher and that's just a 2SS coupe with what's on the config page. Vert will go up from there. I don't think a 1LE stuck on a 1SS will be 58K. The market simply wouldn't support that.

1SS, 1LE, 2SS, ZL1 in that price order with same/same type options.

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by PH3688

I wish people would stop with "this car is gonna start out at 65k and under" if the so called "base" SS is any inclination of price then it's easy to figure out this bad boy is going to START out at 70k+/- then you will add on from there. Because the in-between is the 1le, even if that is a 1ss it's still going to be more expensive than the 2ss. Mind you the 1le was for people who couldn't fork out the extra 15-20 grand for the zl1. Plus GM has a long standing history of gouging prices for camaros ahem looking at you 4th gen and 5th gen z/28. And Oppo is out of his mind if this car is going to quote "be almost on par of price in regards to the gen 5 zl1" un quote BS.

You obviously don't know Al. He is a very down to earth guy, very friendly, and you can basically take what he says to the bank.

If he says that those of us that could afford a 5th gen ZL1, will be able to afford a 6th gen ZL1. I believe him wholeheartedly.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by PH3688

I wish people would stop with "this car is gonna start out at 65k and under" if the so called "base" SS is any inclination of price then it's easy to figure out this bad boy is going to START out at 70k+/- then you will add on from there. Because the in-between is the 1le, even if that is a 1ss it's still going to be more expensive than the 2ss. Mind you the 1le was for people who couldn't fork out the extra 15-20 grand for the zl1. Plus GM has a long standing history of gouging prices for camaros ahem looking at you 4th gen and 5th gen z/28. And Oppo is out of his mind if this car is going to quote "be almost on par of price in regards to the gen 5 zl1" un quote BS.

Ok. Let's evaluate this.

The base SS is about a $37,000 car. The 2015 1SS was $33,500. However, the new Camaro includes the RS equipment...a $1350 charge in 2015. So really...the difference between these two cars (sans the RS equipment) is only ~$2050, or 6%. The increase between 2015 and 2017 across the board for Camaro has been between 6% and 7%. Even with the expensive engine, driver mode selector, Mag Ride capability, new interior, etc, etc, etc.

The ZL1 has always included the RS equipment standard, which is why I make that point.

Now...the 2015 ZL1 cost $55,505.

A) You can calculate 6% more......................................and get $58,835

B) You can do that, and add 1995 for the Recaro seats....and get $60,830

C) You can take the difference between a
2015 ZL1 and 2015 2SS/RS, and add it to a 2017 2SS....and get $62,555

D) You can take the difference between a
C7 Z06 and Stingray ($24,000) and add that to a 2SS.....and get $65,905

There are many ways to do the math...none of which suggest the ZL1 will start as high as $70,000, a stone's throw away from a Z06 Corvette...Don't forget that they charged that much for a Z/28. And they still have not sold all the 2015's produced. The market isn't ready to buy too many $70,000 Camaros. ZL1 is not a limited-production model.

...Or...you can listen to what Al Oppenheiser, a straight shooter, suggests: that they won't be "price gouging" the ZL1. It will be expensive. It will increase in price vs last generation...but it's still a Camaro, and that means value...

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

You obviously don't know Al. He is a very down to earth guy, very friendly, and you can basically take what he says to the bank.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

1SS, 1LE, 2SS, ZL1 in that price order with same/same type options.

With all the standard equipment being provided to the 1LE this go around (MR, eLSD, Recaro seats)...I really wouldn't be surprised if the cost exceeded that of the 2SS. But not by much.

[DenverTaco07]

I wish GM would take my $$$ already.

[PH3688]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

You obviously don't know Al. He is a very down to earth guy, very friendly, and you can basically take what he says to the bank.

If he says that those of us that could afford a 5th gen ZL1, will be able to afford a 6th gen ZL1. I believe him wholeheartedly.

Do you know Cpt Vince Noble, lelzlelz? Of course you don't him personally, but you should. So because I don't know OPPO does that make me uncool, outta the loop, not worthy enough , not one of the Bros? Lol gtfoh. Furthermore and what does knowing him have to do with anything? I answered your defense already in lieu of the gen 4 which btw KiLLed the camaro off. And then the big pricing mistake of the z/28. And let me tell ya something I don't believe any one anymore. Call me a person with trust issues but it kept me alive in Iraq and Afghanistan. So falling on word one who owns stock with repeat mistakes of the past doesn't brood to well with me. And when you continually do it, it tarnishes public image. So belive him all you want. That's on you. I'll go sit by myself in the Un cool table chachi. Hrumph.