Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Styling is...*sick*.

TastyBake · 11-19-2014, 09:27 AM

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/16/t...heck-these-out

I'm a fan of hydrogen fueled cars and I would prefer them over electric, especially if/when the industry back end grows.

But the front end styling is heavily fish related. No joke. I actually get physically sick looking at the front end where I can't look at the picture for too long.

It looks like open fish gills...

rez333 · 11-19-2014, 10:56 AM

It looks like sheet, but it's exciting technology.

ChrisBlair · 11-19-2014, 04:04 PM

Awesome color. Looks like my '70 Buick's color

trademaster · 11-19-2014, 04:33 PM

Just curious, why do you prefer hydrogen powered cars over electric?

sizl1 · 11-19-2014, 05:11 PM

5 minutes to fuel up, instead of 1 hour.

IBM · 11-20-2014, 10:21 AM

Omg who designed that thing

rayhawk · 11-20-2014, 10:37 AM

Unfortunately, it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than you can get back out of it. So, depending on your source of electricity, you would have to burn some amount of coal or oil to make the electricity to create the hydrogen. Pesky physics!

sbubbaklein · 11-20-2014, 10:38 AM

too bad you cant shut the hood, must go slow so it wont fly up

trashmanssd · 11-20-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sizl1

5 minutes to fuel up, instead of 1 hour.

at least an hour unless you get a tesla and use their new battery swap stations they are working on. I think electric is a good short term answer. Because you can put a charge station anywhere on our electrical grid which is extensive. Problem is how many cars can our current electrical grid handle on both the delivery and the creation side. I think we are 25 years from a real solution at least. Should it be Hydrogen cell, CNG, LNG, Hybrid, Kryptonite (LOL) who knows. If I did I would buy their stock and be filthy rich. But alas, I shall keep working 60+ hours a week like the commoner I am.

trashmanssd · 11-20-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rayhawk

Unfortunately, it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than you can get back out of it. So, depending on your source of electricity, you would have to burn some amount of coal or oil to make the electricity to create the hydrogen. Pesky physics!

Like any fuel source, some is lost making or delivering it. Even electricity is lost in the transmission lines its a choice of lesser evils no perfect answers.

TastyBake · 11-21-2014, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rayhawk

Unfortunately, it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than you can get back out of it. So, depending on your source of electricity, you would have to burn some amount of coal or oil to make the electricity to create the hydrogen. Pesky physics!

With the existing infrastructure, yes. But with time, competition, and innovation, efficiency can increase and other ways can be used to create liquid hydrogen. We won't run out of Hydrogen, just the stuff used to generate it.

My thing with electricity is the range. If the range can get to 300-400 miles in an high end yet affordable car, then I'm ok with it. And yes, I know Hydrogen is technically an "electric" call.

As far as dream fuels, biofuel from algae is my favorite. Less problems with real estate like corn and you can feed it waste water processed w/ bacteria.

Bhobbs · 11-21-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TastyBake

With the existing infrastructure, yes. But with time, competition, and innovation, efficiency can increase and other ways can be used to create liquid hydrogen. We won't run out of Hydrogen, just the stuff used to generate it.

My thing with electricity is the range. If the range can get to 300-400 miles in an high end yet affordable car, then I'm ok with it. And yes, I know Hydrogen is technically an "electric" call.

As far as dream fuels, biofuel from algae is my favorite. Less problems with real estate like corn and you can feed it waste water processed w/ bacteria.

What he was saying is it takes more energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen than you get by burning it. That's just down to the chemical make up of the molecule.

TastyBake · 11-21-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

What he was saying is it takes more energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen than you get by burning it. That's just down to the chemical make up of the molecule.

I understood. I was point out the efficiency to create hydrogen may increase where it won't be too dramatic and techniques to generate hydrogen will also be efficient in the future.

derklug · 11-21-2014, 12:22 PM

Hawaii and Greenland could become the next great fuel exporters. Geothermal to generate electricity to crack seawater. Cheapest way to create hydrogen.

11-19-2014, 09:27 AM	#1
TastyBake Drives: 2011 Camaro 2LT/RS Black Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 973	*Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Styling is...sick.* http://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/16/t...heck-these-out I'm a fan of hydrogen fueled cars and I would prefer them over electric, especially if/when the industry back end grows. But the front end styling is heavily fish related. No joke. I actually get physically sick looking at the front end where I can't look at the picture for too long. It looks like open fish gills...

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trademaster Drives: 12 MP4-12C, 16 Quattroporte Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Working Posts: 707	Just curious, why do you prefer hydrogen powered cars over electric?

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rayhawk Drives: Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 1,060 View My Garage	Unfortunately, it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than you can get back out of it. So, depending on your source of electricity, you would have to burn some amount of coal or oil to make the electricity to create the hydrogen. Pesky physics! __________________

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derklug Drives: 12 Boss 302 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Posts: 1,369	Hawaii and Greenland could become the next great fuel exporters. Geothermal to generate electricity to crack seawater. Cheapest way to create hydrogen. __________________ The biggest mistakes in life come when you know exactly what you are doing.

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