[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, another hopeful thread (and as usual I hope you are correct).

However, you are working down not up.

Simply take the weight of an ATS coupe and ADD the weight difference between todays V6 Camaro and an SS.

You have the ATS Coupe V6 RWD at 3540. You then suppose that you can add a V8, the larger radiator required, the larger transmission required, the larger axles and driveshaft required and the bigger wider rear tires and then the larger brakes required in under 155 pounds? Not going to happen unless they apply premium materials.

My worry is that the premium materials on the ATS won't make it to the Camaro to save $$ and if that is the case you are starting at an even higher weight point.

Your shot is if the base Camaro actually saves 100 plus pounds due to removal of "premium/luxury" content. Problem is there isn't really that much of that to be removed.

You also have to consider that the Camaro will also add weight in areas. Currently the car is grossly under competitive for the interior. GM better add something awesome here that is near Corvette in quality. Even the new Tahoe has an outstanding interior and I expect GM to be smart enough to realize they are woefully deficient in the interior on the Gen 5.

Again, I hope I am wrong, I'd love to see an SS come in under 3,700 pounds. But I'm leaning more toward the 3,800 pound mark now. And a 3,800 pound SS with an LT1 and an interior that embarrasses the Mustang will be more than awesome enough for me, thank you GM.

You can also take the delta between the current 1LT (3738) and 1SS (3908), which is 170 lbs, then add that to the ATS coupe V6 RWD weight of 3540, this gives us 3710 lbs for the next SS. Hopefully this is close.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Number 3

...

You have the ATS Coupe V6 RWD at 3540. You then suppose that you can add a V8, the larger radiator required, the larger transmission required, the larger axles and driveshaft required and the bigger wider rear tires and then the larger brakes required in under 155 pounds? Not going to happen unless they apply premium materials.

...

Originally Posted by rayhawk

You can also take the delta between the current 1LT (3738) and 1SS (3908), which is 170 lbs, then add that to the ATS coupe V6 RWD weight of 3540, this gives us 3710 lbs for the next SS. Hopefully this is close.

This....If they can make the heavy 5th gen 1SS weigh 170 pounds more than the 1LT, I don't see why they can't do the same for the next gen.

What I'm banking on is the 6th gen V6 Camaro weighing the same or slightly less than the ATS V6. If so, then we should be GOOD to go!

But if the ATS is using fancy weight saving materials and the Camaro V6 ends up heavier than the ATs, then we could be in trouble.

[Bhobbs]

The SS needs to be in a similar weight range as the Mustang. GM doesn't have any excuses this time like the 5th gen and the Zeta II. The Alpha is designed as a light weight performance platform.

[mr02Z/28]

I know I'm dreaming but I would really like to see the 2016 SS Camaro weighing in @ sub- 3,600lbs ............ keeping fingers crossed ...........



I love a solid rear axle car,

[Chrispy]

Personally I think a loaded V8 car will be 3800-3900 pounds plus easily. It's most likely going to be on a LARGER alpha platform than the ATS with a burlier drivetrain (Engine, trans, differential will all weigh more)

I own an ATS and I'd be very surprised that they'll mirror the ATS platform size in the Camaro. It's just too small for the segment.

Just my two cents of course

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Chrispy

Personally I think a loaded V8 car will be 3800-3900 pounds plus easily. It's most likely going to be on a LARGER alpha platform than the ATS with a burlier drivetrain (Engine, trans, differential will all weigh more)

I own an ATS and I'd be very surprised that they'll mirror the ATS platform size in the Camaro. It's just too small for the segment.

Just my two cents of course

The ATS coupe is pretty close to size to the 2015 Mustang.. Check the dimensions online.

[jp23rockstar]

Why is everyone thinking the car will the weigh the same as the current car? That would be bad considering the new platform alpha which should lighten things up. If not, it's poor engineering on GM's side.

[Bhobbs]

The S550 Mustang has a 107" wheelbase. The ATS has a 109" wheelbase.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by Chrispy

Personally I think a loaded V8 car will be 3800-3900 pounds plus easily. It's most likely going to be on a LARGER alpha platform than the ATS with a burlier drivetrain (Engine, trans, differential will all weigh more)

I own an ATS and I'd be very surprised that they'll mirror the ATS platform size in the Camaro. It's just too small for the segment.

Just my two cents of course

I would not imagine that the Camaro will be larger than the Cadillac ATS. My guess is that it will be slightly smaller. A little bit lighter as well. V8 powered versions of course will be heavier.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Don't see the Camaro being any smaller than the ATS. ATS sounds about right.. It's a bit narrower than the Mustang is actually, but it is a bit longer as far as wheelbase goes.

[RobC]

Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

I love a solid rear axle car,

Only a fool buys a solid rear axle car in the 21st century.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by RobC

Only a fool buys a solid rear axle car in the 21st century.

You're contributing greatly beyond your initial post.. Sound as bad as some people on the Mustang forum. I guess turds are everywhere.

[Number 3]

The 2015 Mustang is 2.9 inches wider than the ATS Coupe. If that translates to the interior, that is HUGE.

Wheelbase doesn't necessarily translate into the size of the car, although it is a strong indicator. Often, a coupe will run on the sedans WB to maintain the underbody.

[Chrispy]

The ATS is cramped and I'm only 6 feet 1 and 175 pounds. If it is that small (which I really doubt it will be...) it's going to hurt Camaro sales.

It HAS to be wider than the ATS at least. I drove the ATS for a year but found it too small. My wife is now driving the ATS and I am using our 2013 SRX while the ZL1 is in the garage for the winter.

I just think people are going to be disappointed thinking it's going to come in at ~3600 pounds in V8 trim with any sort of options. It's going to be bigger than the ATS and have larger wheels and tires, heavier drivetrain etc.

It'll still handle like a monster and have awesome performance, it just won't be massively lighter than the fifth gen.