Black ZL1 spotted in wild! - Page 6

Bob77 · 04-20-2016, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by datboi448

I can only imagine how much better the z28 will be with the new chassis.

Is it unrealistic to think the 2017 Z/28 could be close to 700 HP?

Sven59 · 04-21-2016, 12:02 AM

If it is a TT, easily.

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Sven59 · 04-21-2016, 12:09 AM

I think the philosophy has changed, instead of the older brother getting all the new goidies first, he now shares that with his younger brother.

The Vette introduced the LT4 and the ZL1 introduced the 10 speed auto. Will the Z28 introduce a TT, that may later show up in the mid engine Vette?

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Bob77 · 04-21-2016, 01:39 AM

What do you guys think the upcoming 2017 Z/28 horsepower will be? I'm thinking at least 650, probably more like 660 HP.

mkorgan · 04-21-2016, 07:23 AM

I am not sure the goal of the Z/28 is high HP. The ZL1 (first as a motor in the Gen1 and then as a model in the Gen5) has usually had that honor in the Camaro line. As we all know, the Z/28 is mostly about suspension, handling, and braking while having enough HP to maximize those areas of the car. In the Gen1, the most famous motor in the Z/28 was the 302DZ. It was a small displacement, high revving, small block that was built specifically for the Z/28 and if I am correct was not shared with any other vehicle. To stay true to the brand and to "earn" its way into the currently lineup (as Al O was quoted as saying) I think the Z/28 needs to stay true to the receipt. How awesome would it be to have the next LS7 debut in the Z/28?!?!? That is what I am hoping for regardless of the HP numbers. I believe the ZL1 is going to come in safely over 650 so I think that will remain king of the HP in the Camaro line and let the Z/28 focus on shredding road courses around the world. Just my two cents.

IneedAZ · 04-21-2016, 07:49 AM

Well, if someone would leak some 1/4 mile times we would have a better guess to what the power level is. How is it the Z28 has supposed leaked 1/4 mile times, but nothing for the ZL1 yet Al O says its being tested everywhere?

Raven87 · 04-21-2016, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockeypucks

You'd trade in your C7 for the Z? I'm very torn between the two since the C7 I'd build would be cheaper than a ZL1 with my GMS discount. Seeing this car yesterday really made me think since I've been heavily leaning towards the C7 but now it's about 50/50 ha.

Yes, as long as I can buy the car at a good price. I will not pay any markup above MSRP and I'm sure that will be the case for the first several months.

It will really hinge on the pricing and availability.

Don't get me wrong, I love my C7. It is an incredible car in many ways.

triggerjerk · 04-21-2016, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mkorgan

I am not sure the goal of the Z/28 is high HP. The ZL1 (first as a motor in the Gen1 and then as a model in the Gen5) has usually had that honor in the Camaro line. As we all know, the Z/28 is mostly about suspension, handling, and braking while having enough HP to maximize those areas of the car. In the Gen1, the most famous motor in the Z/28 was the 302DZ. It was a small displacement, high revving, small block that was built specifically for the Z/28 and if I am correct was not shared with any other vehicle. To stay true to the brand and to "earn" its way into the currently lineup (as Al O was quoted as saying) I think the Z/28 needs to stay true to the receipt. How awesome would it be to have the next LS7 debut in the Z/28?!?!? That is what I am hoping for regardless of the HP numbers. I believe the ZL1 is going to come in safely over 650 so I think that will remain king of the HP in the Camaro line and let the Z/28 focus on shredding road courses around the world. Just my two cents.

Didn't Reuss say that the 6th gen Z/28 would need to be more "accessible" than the 5th gen version? If so I am not putting any money on it having an exotic powerplant.

Perhaps a 1LE ish car with ceramic brakes, new shocks, tires, weight loss, and an upgraded LT1?

archer1965 · 04-21-2016, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mkorgan

I believe the ZL1 is going to come in safely over 650 so I think that will remain king of the HP in the Camaro line and let the Z/28 focus on shredding road courses around the world. Just my two cents.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1.html - this says "With an estimated 640 horsepower and 640 lb.-ft. of torque, ZL1 is the most powerful Camaro ever produced."

Jeffro19 · 04-21-2016, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by archer1965

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1.html - this says "With an estimated 640 horsepower and 640 lb.-ft. of torque, ZL1 is the most powerful Camaro ever produced."

It says estimated. So I'm thinking it will come in around 660hp or 665hp. As far as the Next Z28 I'm thinking it will stay NA and be no more than 550hp probably less.

Hockeypucks · 04-21-2016, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven87

Yes, as long as I can buy the car at a good price. I will not pay any markup above MSRP and I'm sure that will be the case for the first several months.

It will really hinge on the pricing and availability.

Don't get me wrong, I love my C7. It is an incredible car in many ways.

I think price all comes down to the dealer from which you purchase. Lots of good dealers out there who don't up charge. I just find it interesting you'd be willing to part with the C7, but this new ZL1 sure seems promising.

Raven87 · 04-21-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockeypucks

I think price all comes down to the dealer from which you purchase. Lots of good dealers out there who don't up charge. I just find it interesting you'd be willing to part with the C7, but this new ZL1 sure seems promising.

Shouldn't be surprising at all. The C7 is just a car - a darned nice one that is well balanced and has a lot going for it.

But it is not perfect. Nor, for that matter, will the ZL1 be either.

I trade cars a lot because I like a lot of different cars. My current C7 is not my first one but that's irrelevant.

And I would bet you a hot fudge sundae when the new ZL1 comes out the dealers who are NOT going to mark it up will be few and far between.

Just look at every new launch of any halo/niche vehicle including from Chevy and INCLUDING the Gen V ZL1. Hellcats marked up? Oh yeah. GT500s? Yep.
2012 ZL1s? OMG yes. Gen V Z/28s? Sho' nuff... And so on and so on....

Oh, yeah, the stealerships will never change and they - most if not all - will INDEED mark up the first '17 ZL1s.

clanky · 04-21-2016, 12:48 PM

But will Becky upmark?

BoostedX2 · 04-21-2016, 01:03 PM

Disagree on the Zl1--I have 2012 Number 259..$500 under MSRP and specially ordered...

04-21-2016, 12:02 AM	#72
Sven59 HAMMER PILOT Drives: 13 ZL1#182, 85 CJ7, 16 Silverado Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 4,386	If it is a TT, easily. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk __________________ "DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN?"

04-21-2016, 12:09 AM	#73
Sven59 HAMMER PILOT Drives: 13 ZL1#182, 85 CJ7, 16 Silverado Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 4,386	I think the philosophy has changed, instead of the older brother getting all the new goidies first, he now shares that with his younger brother. The Vette introduced the LT4 and the ZL1 introduced the 10 speed auto. Will the Z28 introduce a TT, that may later show up in the mid engine Vette? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk __________________ "DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN?"

04-21-2016, 07:49 AM	#76
IneedAZ Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,110 View My Garage	Well, if someone would leak some 1/4 mile times we would have a better guess to what the power level is. How is it the Z28 has supposed leaked 1/4 mile times, but nothing for the ZL1 yet Al O says its being tested everywhere? __________________ Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS. 2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 Born 3/17/17Delivered 4/08/17 2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. 807hp/762tq on 93 gas and 848hp/792tq on e47 Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive

04-21-2016, 01:03 PM	#84
BoostedX2 Drives: VR ZL1 #259/Nissan 370Z NISMO Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,071	Disagree on the Zl1--I have 2012 Number 259..$500 under MSRP and specially ordered... __________________ 2012 Victory Red ZL1 Lingenfelter 630 Package "Plus" 592 HP/580 TQ

04-21-2016, 01:39 AM	#74
Bob77 Banned Drives: 2002 Camaro SS (Sold) Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 60	What do you guys think the upcoming 2017 Z/28 horsepower will be? I'm thinking at least 650, probably more like 660 HP.

04-21-2016, 07:23 AM	#75
mkorgan Drives: 1970-1/2 Z-28, 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Sanford, Fl Posts: 973	I am not sure the goal of the Z/28 is high HP. The ZL1 (first as a motor in the Gen1 and then as a model in the Gen5) has usually had that honor in the Camaro line. As we all know, the Z/28 is mostly about suspension, handling, and braking while having enough HP to maximize those areas of the car. In the Gen1, the most famous motor in the Z/28 was the 302DZ. It was a small displacement, high revving, small block that was built specifically for the Z/28 and if I am correct was not shared with any other vehicle. To stay true to the brand and to "earn" its way into the currently lineup (as Al O was quoted as saying) I think the Z/28 needs to stay true to the receipt. How awesome would it be to have the next LS7 debut in the Z/28?!?!? That is what I am hoping for regardless of the HP numbers. I believe the ZL1 is going to come in safely over 650 so I think that will remain king of the HP in the Camaro line and let the Z/28 focus on shredding road courses around the world. Just my two cents.

04-21-2016, 12:48 PM	#83
clanky Hyper Blue 2016 Camaro 2S Drives: 16 Hyper Blue2SS NPP MagRide 6M NAV Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: east texas Posts: 655	But will Becky upmark?

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