SS brakes?

[JOURDAN]

Originally Posted by Junior

Perhaps Jourdan means they are poor compared to the ZL1 or CTS-V 6 piston brakes?

Yes, this would make a big difference, and likely have to go carbon to get them to work and then they would NOT work until they got HOT so no good for the street. Give and take but 6 piston all the way.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by JOURDAN

I think my perspective is skewed. I have raced superbikes my whole life (54), and I can't wait to get some real brakes for my SS.

These brakes fade quick, and can't pull the 3850 pound car might as well be 2 ton down from speed quickly. With hard hitting crazy power.

I feel brakes should be more powerful than the engine.

I want it to throw me through the windshield at a buck thirty.

Well then, that makes sense. Not many cars come equipped from the factory with brakes that are able to withstand a day's worth of autocross. For spirited canyon carving and such, the SS's stock Brembo's are quite stout.

[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by JOURDAN

Yes, this would make a big difference, and likely have to go carbon to get them to work and then they would NOT work until they got HOT so no good for the street. Give and take but 6 piston all the way.

You don't need carbon ceramic rotors to get 6 piston calipers to work. The 6th Gen ZL1 and ZL1 1LE does not have carbon ceramic rotors and you can see what they can do on the track.

[Dirtdog]

if youre going to upgrade the fronts, might as well go for a ZL1/CTSV front setup.
btw ZL1 rears are the same as the SS

[BlackCam14]

What over the rotor sizes? Ss and zl1

[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by BlackCam14

What over the rotor sizes? Ss and zl1

Front rotors on a ZL1 are 14.6" and front rotors on a SS is 14". The rear rotors are the same on both at 14.4". You will also need to change the backing plate and brake lines when upgrading.

[BlackCam14]

Silly question? If the ss brakes bolt right up, can the ss calipers work with the existing system? Meaning keep my stock rotors.

[olblue75]

Rotor diameters are different.

[Deputy347k9]

I was fortunate that I purchased basically a complete SS kit from a Forum member. Low mileage, I got the caliper, rotors, hoses, other hardware as well as "another" set of front dust shields. The calipers are being powder coated by TPH coating out of Stoughton, WI. While waiting as I am not in a rush to tackle the job, I have been getting the other parts needed for the conversion. All the caliper bolts are "torque to yield bolts" (meaning GM highly recommends they only be used once) front four bolts #11570788 and the rear four bolts 11515781. New OEM master cylinder (not required but to get the full effect of the Brembo you need this) #22956541, You will need 8 crush gaskets for your four brake lines, #21012386. If you can't get them with brake lines you will need the ones for Brembo brakes. I have also elected to change out the rear brake dust shield instead of cutting the down as many do. Rear right is 23131778, rear left is 23131777, these cost about $110.00 from GM, you can find them on EBay used or new OEM much less money. Take your time and get all your parts together before you start. There is also a super nice write up with pictures detailing the upgrade.

[BlackCam14]

Originally Posted by Deputy347k9

I was fortunate that I purchased basically a complete SS kit from a Forum member. Low mileage, I got the caliper, rotors, hoses, other hardware as well as "another" set of front dust shields. The calipers are being powder coated by TPH coating out of Stoughton, WI. While waiting as I am not in a rush to tackle the job, I have been getting the other parts needed for the conversion. All the caliper bolts are "torque to yield bolts" (meaning GM highly recommends they only be used once) front four bolts #11570788 and the rear four bolts 11515781. New OEM master cylinder (not required but to get the full effect of the Brembo you need this) #22956541, You will need 8 crush gaskets for your four brake lines, #21012386. If you can't get them with brake lines you will need the ones for Brembo brakes. I have also elected to change out the rear brake dust shield instead of cutting the down as many do. Rear right is 23131778, rear left is 23131777, these cost about $110.00 from GM, you can find them on EBay used or new OEM much less money. Take your time and get all your parts together before you start. There is also a super nice write up with pictures detailing the upgrade.

Thank you for such a informative post.

[Deputy347k9]

One more note: Before tackling this job I have been reading all I can find reference the change over. I have found the GM directions "2010-2015 Gen 5 Camaro Brembo brake conversion to be spot on.

Changing the calipers/pads and rotors is not a problem, however, to do this job right I want to change the rear brake/dust shields to the SS versions, do not want to cut the LT ones down because of more brake dust.

In reading I just realized that the "axle nuts" are also torque to yield nuts. Meaning, they should be discarded once used. Why is that? Because the torque on those bad boy nuts are 199 FOOT POUNDS!

I have heard they come off extremely hard, now to borrow a torque wrench that goes to 200 foot pounds.

About one hour ago I order 2 OEM axle nuts, part number 11611687, cost was $12.88 shipped.

From an EBay seller ("The Parts Farm, located 1572 Ross Brown, Rd, Lyons, GA 30436) I purchased a set of SS dust shields for $80.00 shipped, they arrived in extremely clean condition with the E-brake shoes and hardware, didn't expect that.

Powder coated calipers should be about finished, will call tomorrow as Kevin told me they should ship today (October 4, 2017)

This is going to be fun! Thank God a good friend of mine has a lift!

Larry

Larry

[Spurshot]

I believe the axle nuts are simply crimp style locknuts that loose their locking capability with multiple use, which is why they should be replaced on each use. They are similar to my gmc 4x4 front axle nut/axle/hub design, which I’m very familiar with.

[Spurshot]

Originally Posted by JOURDAN

I think my perspective is skewed. I have raced superbikes my whole life (54), and I can't wait to get some real brakes for my SS.

These brakes fade quick, and can't pull the 3850 pound car might as well be 2 ton down from speed quickly. With hard hitting crazy power.

I feel brakes should be more powerful than the engine.

I want it to throw me through the windshield at a buck thirty.

If you need brakes for 130 mph, you probably do need those Z28 carbon-carbon brakes... or good insurance and medical coverage.

[Deputy347k9]

Originally Posted by Spurshot

I believe the axle nuts are simply crimp style locknuts that loose their locking capability with multiple use, which is why they should be replaced on each use. They are similar to my gmc 4x4 front axle nut/axle/hub design, which I’m very familiar with.

I believe you are correct. In 66 years and having turned a lot of wrenches I have never had the honor of replacing one with such torque. I have read where many have had quite a chore removing them? Guess I will find out how hard they come off and torqueing of new ones!