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From what I remember, I believe it involved a deal with the AU government and funding to Holden that ultimately stipulated X number of cars had to be imported to the US. I may have some of that wrong but it was along these lines. The base G8 and the GXP model (same as the SS basically) could have easily been the new gen Impala and would have sold. Dodge clearly sold a ton of the V6 modeled Chargers/300C without an issue. Even the V8 models sold well all things considered. Now throw in a manual trans and a 400 HP v8? Had I had the money to buy both cars (my 5th gen Camaro at the time) plus the SS, I would have done it. I think a lot more would too.
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Hell, the Pontiac Firebird/Trans-Am stole so many sales from the Camaro that it ultimately is part of the reason why the production was ended. Honestly, half the cars left in production right now for GM are just rebranded vehicles anyways.... nothing wrong with developing a platform and making them different....but let's be honest, some of them are literally just different front/rear fascias and maybe some different tail lights..
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Regardless, Ranier and Bravada both had a 2004 Model Year, so I have to believe that the Ranier was in the works at the same time they were starting to take a harder look of closing down Olds. Not sure GM was thinking ahead, but my guess is they wanted to get an SUV in every showroom asap, regardless of Oldmosbile's future. And if Olds had remaind viable, we'd still have seen Trailblazer, Envoy, Bravada, Ranier, 97x and Ascender being built alongside one another. I can see Oldsmobile complaining that Ranier would cannabilize their sales, but I don't know why the union would complain if they were building Bravadas, Raniers or any mix of the two so long as the unit volume was the same. |
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Consolidation was the issue because they saw consolidation as lost jobs. |
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EXACTLY!!! Its way passed time to roll back EPA regs to where they were in 2000. The returns are insignificant on emission reductions over the last 10+ years. CO2 had to be declared a pollutant to give new life to the cause. |
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By 2045, I envision plants dying, crop failures, and mass deforestation, as foliage suffocates from lacking the carbon dioxide it needs to survive. Meanwhile, us old timers will survive, struggling to keep our ICE cars functioning well past their serviceable lifecycle, just like the car-scene in the utopia that was achieved in Castro's post-embargo Cuba. Last edited by Capricio; 01-23-2024 at 07:10 PM. |
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https://mishtalk.com/economics/biden...payer-expense/ Fed Agency rule-making-enforcing power may change. https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/s...scard-chevron/ |
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I respect the opinion of the article author, but disagree with the criticism of the CEO and linking that directly to the Camaros demise.
Cadillac just revealed the MY24 CT5, and they made massive updates to the interior to continue to keep it competitive. They invest in their products that sell. The CT5s success and backing by GM makes the Camaro discontinuation harder to swallow, since it's on the same platform and made in the same plant... This article resonates more with me as to why the Camaro died https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...served-better/
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And yes, the 1.3 L 3-cylinder Turbo in the new Chevy and Buick SUVs aren't thrilling in any way shape or form. But I assure they meet GMs durability requirements. So they won't be grenades. As for the aftermarket in 2045, there will be fewer ICEs on the road so Gas prices will likely be higher. And heck you can still get parts for a 57 Chevy. In a scary sense, 2045 is only 21 years away. Yikes I'm driving an EV right now and there are only 2 issues. One, cost. They are still a more expensive choice. Two, access to Level 2, 3 or Supercharging if you can't charge at home. If you can charge at home it almost becomes a no brainer for an EV for 90 plus percent of your driving. And the other 10 is probably back to access to charging.
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