09-03-2017, 07:04 AM | #29 |
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All I see is that Camaro wins the common people purchase. These are people who go to the lots and buy the best car for them. Camaro sells more. I see Ford can't win in this category, so they unload 30% to fleet so they can save face and make it look like there still selling better. So if that makes you feel good, that's fine, but you know it's just smoke and mirrors.
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09-03-2017, 08:51 AM | #30 | |
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Camaro is finding far more retail customers than Ford or Dodge and they are paying nearly $3,000 more to get one. That's after incentives
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09-03-2017, 08:53 AM | #31 |
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Highest retail sales and ATPs prove how well the Camaro is doing. Seems like the petty people who like to point out the Camaros "bad sales" are just refusing to eat crow. This is why the Mustang 2018 refresh is so huge, it had a long way to go to catch up.
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09-03-2017, 04:28 PM | #34 |
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They sell to anyone who wants to buy them, My brother runs a Enterprise rental agency. He told me Challengers and Mustang's get rented 3 times more than the Camaro. People on vacation and business people do not like the visibility or no trunk. More then once people who have rented for the week have returned to get another car because they feel it uncomfortable to drive, there statement is we can not see out of it. Enterprise does not buy a lot of them because nobody want's to rent them. The enthusiast love's them but the general public find's them useless. So your argument about rental's might have holes in it.
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The notion that fleet sales should be ignored is delusional. For one it assumes a mindset that rental companies randomly pick which cars to purchase out of a hat. In fact, it is a measure of market demand. As you point out, no rental company wants a car that their consumer finds miserable to drive. GM is not turning down requests for camaro's from rental companies. A sale is a sale is a sale. They can spin all they want about not focusing on fleet, but its all baloney when they have months and months of extra surplus camaro sitting on retail lots. If lots weren't overflowing with inventory and requiring massive incentive 20% blowouts, it would be much more credible. But there is currently over 4.48 months worth of inventory. For comparison sake there is currently 2.65 months inventory of Mustangs available, and thats for a car one year further in its lifecycle. Secondly, no one here has posted any degree of profit margin on any of the sales listed. Retail or fleet, so its a ton of misinformed conjecture on which car if more profitable. |
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GM probably has refused fleet sales, especially if the rental companies wanted to spend less than what Mustang or Challenger would take...and in the end make little or no profit. |
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No one outside of a handful of people at each automaker knows the answer to the "profitability" question. But we know how much revenue is being generated from retail sales which make up the vast majority of total sales. GM easily beats FoMoCo and FCA. We also know how much total revenue and profit GM makes which easily eclipses FoMoCo and FCA.
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Higher prices are meaningless without knowing all other factors. There is a huge cost to delivering vehicles that sit unsold for 6 months on dealer lots. It indicates a lack of knowing their market demand. Adding a third shift just to have inventory go over 6 month periods last year. Camaro sales are at historic lows. This is not according to plan. |
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he is responding to your statement "a sale is a sale is a sale" by giving an example or actually asking you a question, which u didn't answer. There are possible exceptions to the concept of working less for same or more profit and sometimes a strategy involves working harder for less profit, like maybe if a determination is made that you can drive an emerging competitor out of business by lowering your price and even taking a loss on a sale in order to do that. typically companies will be happy to produce less widgets (aka work less) at more profit than the alternative.
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