[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by 68fbjjz109

GM has more than the Ranger to worry about.

The JT Jeep comes out within the same time frame. Jeep is like Apple products. It can be complete shit and people will still buy it. However the new JL, and JT will offer alot, and they have made alot of improvements to the vehicle which should only improve it's standing in the market.

More on topic.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ts-the-camaro/

This is from a former GM Executive. Personally, I love the Camaro from and engineering standpoint. We have have a 2ss for benchmarking at work and it gets alot of traction for a wide variety of reasons. The Alpha platform in general is well done, and there is alot of effort put into it and it shows. I just wish if they wanted to stay retro, they looked to the 2nd gen more.

Bob Lutz has skin in the game. Please refer to website below...

http://www.vlfautomotive.com/rocket-v8/

http://www.vlfautomotive.com/meet-our-team/

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Wrong again!! Just talking sh!t.

And you're supporting Ford on a Camaro site?

For what reason?

Im not talking s**t, check it out, Ford outsells Chevrolet, Ford does not outsell Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC.

I support both Ford & Chevrolet, I own a Chevy and a Ford, get over it.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The 6th Gen has been plagued with poor sales for a brand new design since it was introduced. If anyone in this forum thinks this is going to change anytime soon you are crazy. When you can't even beat out a 9+ yro model.

In the retail sector Camaro is handily beating both Mustang and Challenger in both sales and transaction price. Remember, the goal in business is not to sell more widgets, it's to make more profit. No one is doing that better than GM.

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

Ford is #1 in sales in the USA for some reason. So your just knocking Ford for what reason?

Speaking of Ford the brand? Sure. But the Ford brand is nothing more than a label FoMoCo slaps on certain models (Lincoln labels on the others). Ford the brand doesn't exist outside of FoMoCo. Whether a company sells all products under one brand or all products under 10 brands is irrelevant. How much profit is made? GM is making more profit than ever and still dominates FoMoCo in sales.

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

GM also better look out, their about to lose 2nd place in the pickup truck sales race to the Dodge Ram, with Ford still comfortably way out front.

Wait until the new Ford Ranger hits the lots, it will be a knockout blow to the overpriced Colorado.

Again, volume is NOT the goal, profit is. What does "best-selling-full-size-pickup" get you? A cookie! You think shareholders care about how many Mustangs rolled off the lines when FoMoCo profits are HALF of what GM's are in 2016?

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

To the overseas profits, I was speaking to those from Mustang specifically, because that's a part of what this thread is about. The cars sold in other countries are sold with a lot more of what are options here, as standard. So those transactions would return much more profit than base models.

The Mustang doesn't sell enough volume overseas to affect the revenue stream. Once you factor in shipping, import taxes, displacement taxes, luxury taxes, etc from overseas sales the Mustangs do in fact cost the buyer more, but doesn't make FoMoCo any more revenue.

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Also you say 1 in 3 Mustangs is rental, does that include the foreign cars? If not, why, as these cars are built right alongside their domestic brethren. Their generated profits go into the same coffers as the US sold units.

Hard to tell. Plenty of Mustangs for rent in Germany (Hertz). They were 4-cylinder's though. Not sure what the ratio is vs retail. Again, whatever small revenue the Mustang is generating overseas it isn't enough to offset the losses ex-US.

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

GM as a whole probably outsells Ford, Ford doesnt count Lincoln and its other companies to puff itself up. GM uses, Chevy, GMC, Cadillac, Buick and whatever else they make. Count Chevy vs Ford then you see the actual sales count and as for Toyota, if you think Ford sells alot of fleet, Toyota sells to anyone and everyone including isis.

Chevrolet, Buick, Lincoln, Ford are nothing more than subsidiaries of FoMoCo and GM. Their sales independently mean nothing as all revenue belongs to FoMoCo and GM. These brands are for marketing. ToMoCo by the way caps fleet at around 20% like GM does. FoMoCo and FCA are the only ones in the high-20% - low 30% fleet game. Hyundai is creeping up in rental sales though the last 2 years, likely taking GM's vacated pace.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

GM also better look out, their about to lose 2nd place in the pickup truck sales race to the Dodge Ram, with Ford still comfortably way out front.

Wait until the new Ford Ranger hits the lots, it will be a knockout blow to the overpriced Colorado.

GM has an all new Pickup next year.

And unless you have inside information, don't know how the Ranger is going to be a knockout.

Both are clear wait an sees.

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by Number 3

GM has an all new Pickup next year.

And unless you have inside information, don't know how the Ranger is going to be a knockout.

Both are clear wait an sees.

Yes thats true but Chevy's new pickup is going to be aluminum just like Ford and they (GM) has made commercials claiming how bad the F150 is, so yeah we'll see how that works out for Chevy.

As for the Ranger it outsold everything other small truck in its category and I think it will again considering whats out there right now and ask any small truck owner and they will ask the same question as to why killed off the Ranger but we all know that Ford killed it off to boost the F150 sales which turned out not to happen. It just caused people to gravitate toward Toyota, Nissan and now Chevy with the Colorado.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

http://www.freep.com/story/money/car...ngs/506866001/

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ngs/104008514/

Come now, we cant let opposing evidence get in the way of the talking points.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Money talks - Mustang owners walk.


Taste some of this, then go troll yourself:


Spin that horsey

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Way to completely ignore my points and stoop to juvenile insults.

Again, why if its all part of the plan, would they ramp up production numbers. To brag about how they have a superior higher margin vehicle littering the overflow lots in dealerships across the country? To give their marketing departments extra work cutting 20% off msrp commercials?

Sales across the segment are down, but its particularly bad right now for Camaro. The only time they were leading was when they were blowing them out at 20% off msrp.

I don't have a dog/horse/pony in this race. Im not a shareholder of GM/FORD/FCA. I want to see them all succeed. Competition leads to better options for the consumer.

Has GM formally announced a 7th generation?

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Way to completely ignore my points and stoop to juvenile insults.

Again, why if its all part of the plan, would they ramp up production numbers. To brag about how they have a superior higher margin vehicle littering the overflow lots in dealerships across the country? To give their marketing departments extra work cutting 20% off msrp commercials?

Sales across the segment are down, but its particularly bad right now for Camaro. The only time they were leading was when they were blowing them out at 20% off msrp.

I don't have a dog/horse/pony in this race. Im not a shareholder of GM/FORD/FCA. I want to see them all succeed. Competition leads to better options for the consumer.

Has GM formally announced a 7th generation?

Im with you, I dont care to argue this crap because there is nothing we can do about it anyways, they all make great cars and trucks IMO so I will leave it at that.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Come now, we cant let opposing evidence get in the way of the talking points.

Important to understand the context of those quarterly results and why investors are THRILLED to see Opel go. For future profitability, this transaction is monumental despite the Q2 profit loss.

Look at the last year (or 5 years) and tell me which company you would rather be?

Originally Posted by germanicus

Way to completely ignore my points and stoop to juvenile insults.

Again, why if its all part of the plan, would they ramp up production numbers. To brag about how they have a superior higher margin vehicle littering the overflow lots in dealerships across the country? To give their marketing departments extra work cutting 20% off msrp commercials?

Inventory is a production issue. Camaro continues to outsell Mustang and Challenger retail at a much higher price. That rarely happens. In most cases, the cheaper car moves more volume in its respective segment. You're absolutely right, we may see 20% off MSRP. Funny thing happens when the big discounts are advertised - transaction prices don't change. Most buyers will simply option up. Instead of a 1SS, they drive home in a 2SS. This happens across all brands and is more prevalent in trucks and luxury vehicles.

Originally Posted by germanicus

Sales across the segment are down, but its particularly bad right now for Camaro. The only time they were leading was when they were blowing them out at 20% off msrp.

I don't have a dog/horse/pony in this race. Im not a shareholder of GM/FORD/FCA. I want to see them all succeed. Competition leads to better options for the consumer.

Has GM formally announced a 7th generation?

Above in bold explains your perspective. Automotive manufacturers do not exist to sell cars. Let that sink in for a moment. They exist to make money. The are NUMEROUS ways of doing that. The most profitable sectors of GM and FoMoCo both are their financial services arms (profits as percentage of revenue), not car sales. Shareholders don't care how many or what color metal gets pushed. Only revenue and profits.

It's fun to talk about sales leaders and who makes the "better" car, but none of that matters to the powers that be. We are just lucky there are so many options for enthusiasts to choose from. That could go away as the automotive market in the U.S. begins to contract...or the pony cars start to suspiciously resemble CUV's

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Way to completely ignore my points and stoop to juvenile insults.

Again, why if its all part of the plan, would they ramp up production numbers. To brag about how they have a superior higher margin vehicle littering the overflow lots in dealerships across the country? To give their marketing departments extra work cutting 20% off msrp commercials?

Sales across the segment are down, but its particularly bad right now for Camaro. The only time they were leading was when they were blowing them out at 20% off msrp.

I don't have a dog/horse/pony in this race. Im not a shareholder of GM/FORD/FCA. I want to see them all succeed. Competition leads to better options for the consumer.

Has GM formally announced a 7th generation?

You left out the important part of my post. Deal with it, don't try to pivot.

General Motors' profit soared on a year-over-year basis,

whereas Ford reported a steep decline in earnings.

Additionally, GM expects its full-year earnings to be roughly in line with last year's record profit, whereas

Ford is calling for a step down in profit this year.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...s-profits.aspx

Juvenile, is going on a Camaro fan site, and pushing Ford.

[b4z]

If I were gm I would throw $500-1000 more discounts at the Camaro. Chalky is selling at the same rate and is a 10+ year old vehicle. Camaro is a better vehicle, but they can't let the chally sell more.

[bpang1234]

Originally Posted by b4z

If I were gm I would throw $500-1000 more discounts at the Camaro. Chalky is selling at the same rate and is a 10+ year old vehicle. Camaro is a better vehicle, but they can't let the chally sell more.

For most people, Challenger is more appealing because of the roominess and it is a nice looking car. I can see why the average joe and jane are buying them even though they have inferior performance metrics.

[Jeb114]

Originally Posted by bpang1234

For most people, Challenger is more appealing because of the roominess and it is a nice looking car. I can see why the average joe and jane are buying them even though they have inferior performance metrics.

99% of the public do not care about Performance metric's they want a Comfortable car that performs well and look's good. It's a Muscle Car, Maybe the last built. all that and it can go on a 500 mile trip with comfort and all your luggage!

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

I'm still totally flabbergasted that the Challenger has now exceeded the Camaro for a few months recently. The first time it pushed ahead, I was not expecting it to last.

Anyway, there is really nothing left to comment on these threads beyond what has been said 3,953,859,457,448 x e^2*pi times.

They have always been a decent car, even though suspension wise it's a hand-me-down Mercedes chassis, but the Mack truck grill uglied it down so bad it wasn't ever the menace to sales it should have been. Now that they have come to their senses and developed a great looking front end, it's going to continue to sell well. They should make a much lightened 2 door and then, look out Ford and Chevy!!!