[Jeb114]

The GM Authority Take
The 14.6 percent decline in Camaro deliveries continues to sap sales volume from the sports car. By comparison, Dodge Challenger sales decreased 4.56 percent to 5,333 units and Ford Mustang sales fell 35.12 percent to 6,206 units. As such, the sales performance puts Camaro in last place in the pony car sales race for July, behind the Mustang in first and the Challenger in second.
All kinds of reasons have been provided for the declining sales performance of the Camaro, but the most prominent is the higher price of the sixth-gen Camaro, supposedly due to a strategic change within GM to sell fewer models at a higher profit. What’s more, with the exception a bonus cash offers along with specific incentives to lure Mustang owners, Chevrolet has largely refrained from piling incentives onto the sixth-gen Camaro while the competition has not been as disciplined.
Even so, a refresh to the Chevy sports car is coming for the 2019 model year. Perhaps it will help sell this wonderful sports car.


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/08/...#ixzz4otfWdVbU

[crysalis_01]

What everyone here has to remember that to call Camaro the retail sales leader, you have to add an asterisk with the qualifier "in the US".

Mustang sold upwards of 45k units internationally last uear, unless you believe that those all ended up on rental lots in the other 140 countries they were sold too, then these were also high profit retail sales.

Where the cash comes from doesnt matter to FoMoCo's bank books, it all get logged as profit, so S550 is more than likely making cash just fine. Arguably, it has more than likely made more profit than either of its counterparts due to the international cars costing even more than their US/NA brethren.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

The GM Authority Take
The 14.6 percent decline in Camaro deliveries continues to sap sales volume from the sports car. By comparison, Dodge Challenger sales decreased 4.56 percent to 5,333 units and Ford Mustang sales fell 35.12 percent to 6,206 units. As such, the sales performance puts Camaro in last place in the pony car sales race for July, behind the Mustang in first and the Challenger in second.
All kinds of reasons have been provided for the declining sales performance of the Camaro, but the most prominent is the higher price of the sixth-gen Camaro, supposedly due to a strategic change within GM to sell fewer models at a higher profit. What’s more, with the exception a bonus cash offers along with specific incentives to lure Mustang owners, Chevrolet has largely refrained from piling incentives onto the sixth-gen Camaro while the competition has not been as disciplined.
Even so, a refresh to the Chevy sports car is coming for the 2019 model year. Perhaps it will help sell this wonderful sports car.


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/08/...#ixzz4otfWdVbU

Ok...Just more talking points that can't seem to break through the facts that Camaro is still selling fine to the retail market for several years now without any of the doom and gloom arguments creating a change in plans...

Maybe Mustang should study why there sales are "sapped"? with a 34% decline?...

It just seems to baffle some that the Camaro hasn't gone to crisis mode yet, in spite all the opinions that it should...

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

What everyone here has to remember that to call Camaro the retail sales leader, you have to add an asterisk with the qualifier "in the US".

Mustang sold upwards of 45k units internationally last uear, unless you believe that those all ended up on rental lots in the other 140 countries they were sold too, then these were also high profit retail sales.

Where the cash comes from doesnt matter to FoMoCo's bank books, it all get logged as profit, so S550 is more than likely making cash just fine. Arguably, it has more than likely made more profit than either of its counterparts due to the international cars costing even more than their US/NA brethren.

Congrats to Ford and Mustang....Just like Camaro, whatever they are doing appears to be working for them without disaster. If Mustang can do well with the overseas and fleet market, more power to them...That apparently isn't in Camaro's portfolio....Call it a win for Ford if you want, and congrats to them...

Good ole USA retail sales seem to be working fine for Camaro.

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by 90503

Ok...Just more talking points that can't seem to break through the facts that Camaro is still selling fine to the retail market for several years now without any of the doom and gloom arguments creating a change in plans...

Maybe Mustang should study why there sales are "sapped"? with a 34% decline?...

It just seems to baffle some that the Camaro hasn't gone to crisis mode yet, in spite all the opinions that it should...



Congrats to Ford and Mustang....Just like Camaro, whatever they are doing appears to be working for them without disaster. If Mustang can do well with the overseas and fleet market, more power to them...That apparently isn't in Camaro's portfolio....Call it a win for Ford if you want, and congrats to them...

Good ole USA retail sales seem to be working fine for Camaro.

GM makes it most money on Pickup, SUV sales just like Ford does. If the Camaro drops down to the same sales level of the 2002 model 4200 for that year then GM will kill off the Camaro for sure.

I think people are tired of the same design of the Camaro even though it did change the average person really cant tell a difference or their isnt a big enough change to make them purchase the 6th Gen. Camaro. And price isnt helping it any either.

Ford just has a different sales strategy to keep the Mustang in play which it has since 1964 1/2 even during the so-called bad years. And if its fleet, overseas sales then Ford will do it and I personally think its a pretty good strategy if you ask me. Profit is profit regardless of where it comes from.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by camaro5

We don't have that info and never will. If you had the numbers, black Suburbans would wisk you away in the middle of the night.

That does not mean we will not validate the various measurements we DO have available.

Retail sales is world speak, not GM speak.

There are retail sales of anything, and wholesale sales too.

Which would you want? Minimal unit profit, but volume leader? Not me.

Primitive auto production production volumes, dumping excess on rental car lots for a year-

Then they hit the retail market to further lower resale and saturate an already saturated inventory.

New GM is trying something new - their profits say it's working.

If anyone can get the production cost of any GM car - let us know.

Until then, Camaro is the retail sales leader!

Thanks to Medisin

ps - 3 - I want you to get a Camaro with a golf clubbable trunk, and windows we can see out of - keep the faith.

GM is not trying something new.
If that were the case there would not be several months of excess inventory sitting on lots during the entirety of 6th generation production. They would not have ramped up a 3rd shift last year. The whole "We will sell less at a higher price" is simply spin. It is not bourne out by their actual production numbers. Its PR. Its nonsense. They expected to sell in much higher volume.

Last month they sold fewer retail than Ford and Dodge, and far fewer overall sales.

But sure, everything is according to plan.....

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by germanicus

GM is not trying something new.
If that were the case there would not be several months of excess inventory sitting on lots during the entirety of 6th generation production. They would not have ramped up a 3rd shift last year. The whole "We will sell less at a higher price" is simply spin. It is not bourne out by their actual production numbers. Its PR. Its nonsense. They expected to sell in much higher volume.

Last month they sold fewer retail than Ford and Dodge, and far fewer overall sales.

But sure, everything is according to plan.....

Retail Sales July 2017
Mustang: 4,592
Camaro: 4,525
Challenger: 3,786

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

GM makes it most money on Pickup, SUV sales just like Ford does. If the Camaro drops down to the same sales level of the 2002 model 4200 for that year then GM will kill off the Camaro for sure.

I think people are tired of the same design of the Camaro even though it did change the average person really cant tell a difference or their isnt a big enough change to make them purchase the 6th Gen. Camaro. And price isnt helping it any either.

Ford just has a different sales strategy to keep the Mustang in play which it has since 1964 1/2 even during the so-called bad years. And if its fleet, overseas sales then Ford will do it and I personally think its a pretty good strategy if you ask me. Profit is profit regardless of where it comes from.

The V6 Mustang existed for fleet sales. Ford treated it like a red-headed stepchild regarding retail sales. We'll see how Ford handles fleet sales going forward since the V6 is gone. My guess is that they will decrease Mustang fleet sales like GM is doing.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

The V6 Mustang existed for fleet sales. Ford treated it like a red-headed stepchild regarding retail sales. We'll see how Ford handles fleet sales going forward since the V6 is gone. My guess is that they will decrease Mustang fleet sales like GM is doing.

With the rental market "taking a hit" from the likes of UBER and Lyft, Ford should use the production numbers that used to be used to build low option fleet units and shift them over to high content international sales.

Meeting that demand at a quicker pace can only yield benefits. It also means that they can continue to produce Mustang for all shifts with no slow down. People keep their jobs and more profits are made, win win.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

With the rental market "taking a hit" from the likes of UBER and Lyft, Ford should use the production numbers that uses to be used to build low option fleet units and shift them over to high content international sales.

Meeting that demand at a quicker pace can only yield benefits. It also means that they can continue to produce Mustang for all shifts with no slow down. People keep their kobs and more profits are made, win win.

Agreed.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by germanicus

GM is not trying something new.
If that were the case there would not be several months of excess inventory sitting on lots during the entirety of 6th generation production. They would not have ramped up a 3rd shift last year. The whole "We will sell less at a higher price" is simply spin. It is not bourne out by their actual production numbers. Its PR. Its nonsense. They expected to sell in much higher volume.

Last month they sold fewer retail than Ford and Dodge, and far fewer overall sales.

But sure, everything is according to plan.....

Money talks - Mustang owners walk.


Taste some of this, then go troll yourself:

General Motors' profit soared on a year-over-year basis,

whereas Ford reported a steep decline in earnings.

Additionally, GM expects its full-year earnings to be roughly in line with last year's record profit, whereas

Ford is calling for a step down in profit this year.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...s-profits.aspx

Spin that horsey

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[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Money talks - Mustang owners walk.


Taste some of this, then go troll yourself:


Spin that horsey

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http://www.freep.com/story/money/car...ngs/506866001/

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ngs/104008514/

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

With the rental market "taking a hit" from the likes of UBER and Lyft, Ford should use the production numbers that uses to be used to build low option fleet units and shift them over to high content international sales.

Yet fleet sales continue to hold steady. FoMoCo wouldn't exist without it. High content international sales? hahhahahaha FoMoCo barely brakes even ex-US. There are no profits coming in from overseas relative to US market and Financial Services income.

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

http://www.freep.com/story/money/car...ngs/506866001/

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ngs/104008514/

One quarter does not a trend make. FoMoCo is in dire straights - just canned the CEO and these Q2 earnings were driven by foreign tax credits. GM won't have Opel dragging down profitability in 2017. Expect GM to post double the profit of FoMoCo again this year.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by germanicus

GM is not trying something new.
If that were the case there would not be several months of excess inventory sitting on lots during the entirety of 6th generation production. They would not have ramped up a 3rd shift last year. The whole "We will sell less at a higher price" is simply spin. It is not bourne out by their actual production numbers. Its PR. Its nonsense. They expected to sell in much higher volume.

Last month they sold fewer retail than Ford and Dodge, and far fewer overall sales.

But sure, everything is according to plan.....

CTS and ATS haven't been holding up their end at the same plant (2016 sales total of 15,900 and 21,500). CTS volume is 1/2 of what it was in 2014.

Like Camaro, GM raised the price of CTS and ATS significantly and it appears they want the three to carry the plant with higher end retail. Obviously not the result they'd hoped for but they ARE adjusting and going at it again with CT5/4/3 and expected gen7.

1 in 3 Mustang and Challenger are rental cars. The old GM bankrupted itself chasing fleet volume and the retail product suffered for it. Congratulations to Ford for being the volume leader.

[newmoon]

Excuses excuses sounds like political parties bickering. The 6th Gen has been plagued with poor sales for a brand new design since it was introduced. If anyone in this forum thinks this is going to change anytime soon you are crazy. When you can't even beat out a 9+ yro model. Or your direct competition when it is known there is a much improved model due shortly in the GT you have major issues. Let's have this conversation again once the new GT hits the lots.