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Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

Don't you think GM would rather have Camaro sales @ 12,000/month ??? instead of 7,xxx ..... I imagine more sales would be better .....

Yes, absolutely!....But, maybe not!...lol...This was hashed over a lot in last months thread....Monthly numbers include retail, fleet, and rental...Chevy has purposely kept fleet and rental numbers down, which, if they were high, would make for a less expensive car...but a more profitable and pricier retail car if fleet and rental numbers are low....???

It's a mixed bag of profits vs. number of units, or whatever....I always like to think the highest sales number meant most popular, but not necessarily...??..

Anyway, others a lot smarter at this can explain it better....

[aestil]

Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

Don't you think GM would rather have Camaro sales @ 12,000/month ??? instead of 7,xxx ..... I imagine more sales would be better .....

They could sell 30k camaros a month if they priced it for what a civic sells... The number of sales does not mean more profitable. Unless you know what GM is selling the Camaro for, or what their targets were for profitability or a bunch of other information, there is just no way to know if these sales are good or bad.

All things being equal, more sales are better, but it doesn't appear that all things are equal. The per unit profit for Mustangs and the per unit profit for Camaros just isn't known.

This argument is getting so old.

Basically it boils down mostly to people who want a Camaro, because they perceive it as better than a Mustang, but can't afford a Camaro, because it also costs more than a Mustang, and then fill up the forum with FUD about how GM is failing because it isn't beating the Mustang in sales.

It's not going to sell as many units as a significantly less expensive car, and it's not going to sell as many units as the last generation because that car was significantly less expensive. You guys really think that GM didn't know that was going to happen when they set out to make this car? You really think they thought 'hey this car is like $4k more than the last car overall, it will probably sell just as many units...'.

I do not think they thought that. Which tells me that the sales targets they had for 'profitability' or 'success' or whatever you want to call it, was significantly fewer units than the outgoing car.

[mr02Z/28]

LoL I understand but if sales fall or don't improve for the Camaro while Mustang sales stay steady, I think it's going to be considered a loss .....


anyway, I am considering a Camaro 1SS just waiting for a half decent deal

[Omar1]

I'm starting to see more 6th gens around. I'd say 7 different ones total if my memory serves me right. But this is all over the greater Los Angeles area.

[mr02Z/28]

I haven't seen any in my area, I'm in Phila PA ..... except a few at my local dealer but Zero seen on the streets yet ....

[merlin803]

As long as GM is happy then I don't know why anyone cares if they sell less Camaro's than Mustangs.

They seemed to have designed their business model to profit more for each sold car as opposed to selling more cars at a lower profit: http://www.chron.com/news/article/GM...ca-7286886.php

GM profits more than double on record N. America earnings
"The first-quarter profits came even though global sales fell 2.5 percent to 2.4 million vehicles. Stevens attributed the decline to lower sales in South America and a U.S. strategy to cut low-profit sales to rental car companies. But he said average prices per vehicle in North America improved, which he attributed to trucks and new products such as the Chevrolet Malibu and Camaro."

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GM April 2016 Sales Down 3.5%, 259,557 Units Sold


GM’s Retail Sales Rise for 12th Consecutive Month Driven by Chevrolet, Buick and GMC
General Motors

May 3, 2016
•Chevrolet remains the industry’s fastest-growing full-line brand of 2016 with retail sales up 4 percent in April
• Buick’s retail sales up 13 percent; GMC retail sales up 5 percent
• Commercial deliveries up for 30th consecutive month
• Daily rental deliveries down nearly 18,000 units, or 39 percent

DETROIT – General Motors (NYSE: GM) delivered 200,656 vehicles in April to individual or “retail” customers, up 3 percent year-over-year, driven by an 13 percent increase at Buick, 5 percent increase at GMC and a 4 percent increase at Chevrolet. GM’s Commercial deliveries were up for the 30th consecutive month while daily rental sales were down nearly 18,000 vehicles. GM total sales were down about 4 percent to 259,557 vehicles.

GM has grown retail deliveries year-over-year every month since April 2015 and retail sales during the last 12 months were up 9 percent, more than double the industry’s 4 percent increase during that timeframe. Chevrolet was the fastest-growing full-line franchise in the U.S. industry in 2015 and holds that honor again so far this year, based on R.L. Polk retail registrations. Chevrolet had its best April for retail sales since 2006.

Through the first four months of the year, Chevrolet retail sales are up 9 percent. The all-new Malibu is having a major impact, with retail deliveries up 53 percent year to date and 45 percent in April. According to J.D. Power PIN, Malibu has nearly doubled its retail share from 5 percent in 2015 to 10 percent year to date. In addition, the new Cruze is beginning to arrive in dealers showrooms.

Buick has grown retail registrations faster this year than all but one other major brand, according to R.L. Polk, and posted a 13 percent year-over-year gain in April. Year to date, Buick retail deliveries are up 10 percent.

“GM’s retail growth over the last 12 months has outpaced the industry by a wide margin because our redesigned large pickups and SUVs are hits, we made smart investments in new segments like small crossovers and mid-size pickups, and our momentum in the car business is accelerating with each new model introduction,” said Kurt McNeil, U.S. vice president of Sales Operations. “GM bucked the industry trend with flat year-over incentives, we are managing with lean inventories and our Commercial and Government fleet business is growing.”

Looking ahead to May, GM expects to continue executing its retail-focused sales plan, and maintain disciplined inventories and incentives. The company’s deliveries to daily rental customers, which are less profitable than retail deliveries, are expected to be down approximately 18,000 to 20,000 units, year over year, which will make May the largest single-month decline of 2015-2016. Calendar year to date through April, GM’s rental deliveries are down more than 61,000 units from a year ago, as planned.

Chevrolet
•The brand had its best retail April since 2006.
• Car sales were up 4 percent, with the Camaro up 13 percent, Malibu up 45 percent, Spark up 2 percent and Volt up 139 percent.
• Truck sales were up 19 percent, with the Colorado up 55 percent, Silverado up 14 percent, Suburban up 16 percent and Tahoe up 8 percent.
• The Trax crossover was up 46 percent.
• Malibu has its best year-to-date sales since 1980.
• Silverado had its best April since 2006.
• Tahoe and Suburban had their best year-to-date sales since 2008.
• Colorado had its best month since launch of the all-new model.

GMC
•The brand had its best April since 2004.
• The Sierra had its best April ever, with deliveries up 14 percent, the Canyon was up 23 percent, and the Yukon had its 8th consecutive month of year-over-year growth, with deliveries up 13 percent. Yukon XL was up 8 percent.

Buick
•The brand had its best April and calendar-year-to-date sales since 2005
• The Encore was up 39 percent, Enclave up 2 percent
• Buick sold 1,090 Cascada convertibles in April, the second full month in the market.

Cadillac
•Cadillac ATPs were $54,600 in April, up approximately $1,600 from last year.
• The Cadillac ATS, CTS and XTS all gained year-over-year retail market share in their respective segments.


Average Transaction Prices (ATP)/Incentives (J.D. Power PIN estimates)
•GM’s ATPs, which reflect retail transaction prices after sales incentives, were $35,400 in April, more than $4,200 above the industry average.
• GM’s incentive spending as a percentage of ATPs was 10.3 percent in April, well below domestic and many Asian competitors and in line with the industry average of 10.2 percent.
• The industry increased incentives year over year by 0.7 percentage points, while GM incentives were in-line with a year ago.


Fleet and Commercial
•GM’s fleet mix in April was approximately 23 percent of total sales, in line with the company’s full-year guidance of 20 percent.
• Commercial sales grew 4 percent, for the best Commercial month since 2008. Government sales were up 21 percent and daily rental deliveries were down 39 percent.
• Small business deliveries were up 20 percent in April and 10 percent calendar-year-to-date.

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[94turbolsx]

Regardless of whos outselling who, its great to see these 3 cars cars selling so well.

[MovieGuy]

Bought mine April 19. I like having a less common car.

[oneredry]

I'm part of that group!!...

They just started the 3rd shift mid April so sales should jump.. Be honest, I have only seen one in the Dayton area. for whatever reason I don't see many on the lots.

[JonGSA]

I did my part on April 1st. I still have yet to see another 6th gen around here too. Been seeking a few 5th gens come out of hibernation...About it.

[merlin803]

After not seeing hardly any for months, I have seen several over the last couple of weeks. Seems the decent weather might be bringing them out of hibernation

[Mikey LikesIt]

Got mine 8 days ago.

[tom231]

Yesterday, I took a 2016 SS for a test drive and loved it compared to my 2012 SS. . The salesman said there are no incentives on the the Camaro's at this time. They were willing to come down about $1000 from the sticker and that's it. Absolutely no more budge on the price. I said forget it! The new car is incredible, but they have to soften on the prices a little before I'll buy.
http://www.bergstromneenah.com/Vehic...-WI/2706223763
This is the exact car I drove. It has 100 miles on the odometer