[JamesDean]

I really want to see this 3.0TT in the Camaro but lets be honest, it's not going to happen.

We're getting a Turbo 4, 3.6L v6 & the LT1 v8. Then the ZL1 & Z28 will both be variations of the v8.

I love my I6 3.0 TT in my 335i, easily 430HP/TQ with a tune, and some bolt ons. If we could expect similar power out of the GM 3.0TT that would be trouble for the SS.

Only time will tell

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

I am amazed at the quantities of drugs and/or alcohol APPARENTLY consumed by members of this forum. I swear ppl pull #s straight out their ass. There is a big difference between OPTIMISM and DELUSION.

I'm going to bring Mustang6G into this because I know they have lurkers.. Have you been to that forum? GOD DAMN!

[Desertion]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So you don't think that the Cadillac flagship should be the bump?

Remember, Cadillac is striving for unique powertrains. Although I expect this new V6 to be the new V6 across the board, you should think the Camaro gets a bump. If you want more than that......................buy the V8.

Trust me, I plan on getting the V8

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Number 3

We shall see. I, as usual, hope you are correct. 35 is equal to todays Cruze with a 1.8L 4 cylinder. And don't go by a 30 MPG Camaro, go by the 28 MPG ATS. Unless you are willing to tolerate crap gearing for FE and not performance. The current Camaro V6 according to Chevrolets website is 28 for the LS and LT models. Used to be 30 so not sure what happened.

But for reference the 2015 Mustang is 28 for the V6 and 32 for the ECO boost 4 cylinder. So I hope you are right that a 335 HP V6 can gain 5 mpg over the Mustang, 7 over the current Camaro and ATS.

So to repeat, I hope you are correct. I just hope the new Malibu is 35. Camaro? Holy crap that would be awesome to have a 335 HP V6 that actually gets rated at 35 mpg highway. A world beater that would be. 90s V8 HP with 2015 4 cylinder FE.

The 2LS was and still is the only Camaro rated at 30mpg.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by JamesDean

I really want to see this 3.0TT in the Camaro but lets be honest, it's not going to happen.

We're getting a Turbo 4, 3.6L v6 & the LT1 v8. Then the ZL1 & Z28 will both be variations of the v8.

I love my I6 3.0 TT in my 335i, easily 430HP/TQ with a tune, and some bolt ons. If we could expect similar power out of the GM 3.0TT that would be trouble for the SS.

Only time will tell

Why would you want a 400 hp 3.0 TT when GM has the 3.6 TT at 450 HP? 3.0 is a global engine for tax classification. GM doesn't need it in the U.S. I would guess it's mostly for China.

Originally Posted by Desertion

Trust me, I plan on getting the V8

Nice! If the improved 3.6L gets in the Camaro and is not exclusive to Cadillac that will make a very nice car. But I'll take the LT1 too, please.

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

The 2LS was and still is the only Camaro rated at 30mpg.

I thought it was. I did the compare with an LS vs LT and they both came up 28 for some reason. But I believe there were some tweaks made to bump it to 30 that you probably wouldn't want if given the choice. There is a reason why it's only on the LS and not the full V6 line up.

Thanks for digging that up. Now I know I'm not crazy.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Why would you want a 400 hp 3.0 TT when GM has the 3.6 TT at 450 HP? 3.0 is a global engine for tax classification. GM doesn't need it in the U.S. I would guess it's mostly for China.



Nice! If the improved 3.6L gets in the Camaro and is not exclusive to Cadillac that will make a very nice car. But I'll take the LT1 too, please.



I thought it was. I did the compare with an LS vs LT and they both came up 28 for some reason. But I believe there were some tweaks made to bump it to 30 that you probably wouldn't want if given the choice. There is a reason why it's only on the LS and not the full V6 line up.

Thanks for digging that up. Now I know I'm not crazy.

I think the 2LS has that rating because it has a numerically lower rear end ratio, it has a 2.92 and other V6s have 3.27.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

I think the 2LS has that rating because it has a numerically lower rear end ratio, it has a 2.92 and other V6s have 3.27.

Makes sense. I recall something in the rear axle or transmission that would improve FE at the expense of performance.

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Makes sense. I recall something in the rear axle or transmission that would improve FE at the expense of performance.

So are you up to at least 34 HWY yet?

[ChefBorOzzy]

This car will not get higher than 34.. Honestly, that's probably a best case scenario for highway.

I'll say the "performance" oriented 6 will be rated at 30-31 and the one with the lower gear ratio will be rated 33.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

So are you up to at least 34 HWY yet?

My prediction is with the turbo 4 cylinder in the mix GM will have no need to max out the new 6 cylinder.

Start stop has no impact on the highway number.

8 speed adds 2
AFM adds 1 more

IF they improve aero, and a slightly smaller car will help I'll give them 1 more

So for the V6 I can't get higher than 32.....maybe 33.

Kicker is the 2.0t. That needs to be much better than the Mustang as it is what? 40 HP down. 2.0t needs to be 34.

Keep in mind aero is half of FE on the highway. Engine/power train is only about 1/3.

[JamesDean]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Why would you want a 400 hp 3.0 TT when GM has the 3.6 TT at 450 HP? 3.0 is a global engine for tax classification. GM doesn't need it in the U.S. I would guess it's mostly for China.

I'd love for the 3.6TT to see it's way into the Camaro, but I highly doubt we'll see that when the CTS-V is using it. The 3TT won't be in the 6th Gen either, but it's a realistic dream.

The NA 3.6 coupled with the 8 speed auto will be beating the EcoStang thanks to the weight drop, but if the EcoStang is tuned then it'll be the one ahead.

I'd love to see a 3.5TT Mustang Ecoboost vs a 3.6TT Camaro going at it.

[Mr Twisty]

I wonder if the Camaro will be getting the ATS aero underpanels.....

The 5th gen is good looking, but not ultimate aero at all. If the 6th gen is an evolution, then expect numbers close to the 2010. (Gain a couple hundredths for smaller size?)


drag coefficient:
2010 .37
2002 .34
1991 .34

(don't know how reliable the sources are for these numbers)

[90503]

Just can't help but think what a shame so to speak it is about all these powerplants....

I believed Chevy and Camaro didn't want to play an un-productive HP numbers game with Ford and Dodge, now it can't seem to avoid doing it with itself and it's own brands....

Seems like GM spends more time worrying about how to not step on the image and toes of Cadillac and Corvette and themselves instead of worrying about how to outsell Ford and Dodge with the best product available...

Perhaps it's a problem of abundance, but it seems silly they don't just offer to the customers all possibilities of powerplants....

70-75 percent of Camaro sales are non-v-8s....I say I-4, turbo non turbo V-6s should be offered....So what if the turbo 6 is within 50hp of the V-8....(I thought we didn't play hp numbers games here?)....The current v-6 (325 hp?) is within 75 of the L99 at 400 hp...nobody says that is "too close"....

Oh, well...just a ramble....

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 90503

Just can't help but think what a shame so to speak it is about all these powerplants....

I believed Chevy and Camaro didn't want to play an un-productive HP numbers game with Ford and Dodge, now it can't seem to avoid doing it with itself and it's own brands....

Seems like GM spends more time worrying about how to not step on the image and toes of Cadillac and Corvette and themselves instead of worrying about how to outsell Ford and Dodge with the best product available...

Perhaps it's a problem of abundance, but it seems silly they don't just offer to the customers all possibilities of powerplants....

70-75 percent of Camaro sales are non-v-8s....I say I-4, turbo non turbo V-6s should be offered....So what if the turbo 6 is within 50hp of the V-8....(I thought we didn't play hp numbers games here?)....The current v-6 (325 hp?) is within 75 of the L99 at 400 hp...nobody says that is "too close"....

Oh, well...just a ramble....

Camaro was the best selling 5 years straight. Corvette outsells the Viper by a large margin. From a sales perspective what harm has been done? Bragging rights at the track doesn't translate to sales success like it did in the 60s. The Hellcat is proof of that.