No Catch Can Needed on 2018...Mus....

Marty McFlew · 08-29-2017, 11:36 PM

No Catch can will be needed on 2018 Mustang 5.0!!!! The new 5.0 will come with both port and direct injection. The port injection will keep the valves clean unlike our cars that get gunked up.

Will Chevy follow suite in our engines?

Chevy....are you here?

1slowssm6 · 08-30-2017, 12:49 AM

if chevy makes a pi/di setup for the 2019 camaro,makes it easily added to the 16,17,18,and sells it fairly cheap,its gonna kill these guys who built these port injection setups charging $3k+ for it.

Arugon · 08-30-2017, 01:28 AM

I'd just be happy if Chevy didn't ****ing void warranties for having a catchcan installed. Chevy Service department really is just ****ing garbage,

NightSkyCode · 08-30-2017, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Arugon

I'd just be happy if Chevy didn't ****ing void warranties for having a catchcan installed. Chevy Service department really is just ****ing garbage,

So... protecting your engine from harm will void the warranty? Makes sense

Camarofan93 · 08-30-2017, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NightSkyCode

So... protecting your engine from harm will void the warranty? Makes sense

they'll find any way they can to void our warranty.

redcoats1976 · 08-30-2017, 03:44 AM

it does sound like a good idea.might even cause some to trade for a newer model that might not have otherwise.

14Black1LESS · 08-30-2017, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Arugon

I'd just be happy if Chevy didn't ****ing void warranties for having a catchcan installed. Chevy Service department really is just ****ing garbage,

Chevy isn't the one doing that. It's that particular dealership that is doing it. It's just like putting on an axle back exhaust, only the warranty on the exhaust should be voided, not the entire car but some dealerships are pricks and will void the entire warranty.

Emig5m · 08-30-2017, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

Chevy isn't the one doing that. It's that particular dealership that is doing it. It's just like putting on an axle back exhaust, only the warranty on the exhaust should be voided, not the entire car but some dealerships are pricks and will void the entire warranty.

That's why I never pay for warranties. Even if left stock you always have to worry about it being voided for no reason.

Elite Engineering · 08-30-2017, 09:53 AM

The Hybrid small port injectors have been around for years with Toyota and Audi and Ford as of 2018, but the coking is still occurring. It has slowed it slightly, but unless the fuel is steadily contacting the intake valves to cool and keep them clean, this is not a solution, and the down side is now far more detonation and knock retard as there is now a combustible mixture present during the compression stroke. More to read about that is more serious than the coking:

https://noln.net/2017/02/28/unintend...rvice-writers/

So, it is more critical than ever to have a proper crankcase evacuation air/oil separation system, and no, it is against Federal Law for a dealer to void your warranty unless you install a vented or breathered system or one that in anyway defeats, reduces, or deletes ANY function of the OEM PCV system. ALL Elite Engineering systems retain all functions and a closed system as well as significantly improve the functions of the OEM system.

Mr. Meh · 08-30-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Camarofan93

they'll find any way they can to void our warranty.

That's not accurate...

I've had several modded cars worked on and stuff replaced via warranty.

I had a blown gen5 ss have multiple engine pieces replaced under warranty because the dealer knew the difference between a part that just failed or a part that failed because I modded the car.

I'd find a different dealer if you've having that kind of problem.

Marty McFlew · 08-30-2017, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Elite Engineering

The Hybrid small port injectors have been around for years with Toyota and Audi and Ford as of 2018, but the coking is still occurring. It has slowed it slightly, but unless the fuel is steadily contacting the intake valves to cool and keep them clean, this is not a solution, and the down side is now far more detonation and knock retard as there is now a combustible mixture present during the compression stroke. More to read about that is more serious than the coking:

https://noln.net/2017/02/28/unintend...rvice-writers/

So, it is more critical than ever to have a proper crankcase evacuation air/oil separation system, and no, it is against Federal Law for a dealer to void your warranty unless you install a vented or breathered system or one that in anyway defeats, reduces, or deletes ANY function of the OEM PCV system. ALL Elite Engineering systems retain all functions and a closed system as well as significantly improve the functions of the OEM system.

So you are saying the 2018 Mustang 5.0 will still gunk up like all the other DFI's?

shawndean22 · 08-30-2017, 11:27 AM

catch can isn't needed for camaro.....

dotfiles · 08-30-2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shawndean22

catch can isn't needed for camaro.....

Your source? I have a catch can and have seen real benefits.

Elite Engineering · 08-30-2017, 02:25 PM

Marty McFlew,

The examination of the intake valves shows a slight reduction in coking rate and severity, but unless the fuel would spray constantly like the old port injection engines, the benefits are marginal. But the real damage occurring is from LSPI detonation events breaking pistons, etc. and all oil ingestion must be stopped to prevent this. The coking wears guides as well as sheds abrasive particulate matter that contaminates the engine oil along with the fuel dilution. There is 8-12 times the amount of raw fuel entering and washing down the cylinders past the rings with GDI engines due to the fuel introduced at 2,000-3,000 PSI and it most be removed (evacuated) before it can settle and mix with the engine oil. That is where our dual valve systems come in. the convert the PCV system to full time evacuation so we are flushing and removing these compounds before they have a chance to settle and accumulate.

So without taking the proper steps to care for these new engines, a much shorter life is what is in store. Here is a port injection engine with 142,000 miles and zero deposits:

Ford Ecoboost with combination injection at 12k miles:

So as you can see, they are far less severe than the past pure GDI valves at similar miles, but far from corrected. GM on the new LGX V6 has deleted the Positive function of the PCV system to slow the rate of coking with similar results, but remember, this also leaves most of the wear causing contaminants to remain in the crankcase accumulating in the engine oil accelerating wear. This has become acceptable in the Automotive industry as the average new car buyer keeps their vehicle less than 3 years so and with the issue of GDI having such a negative impact on engine longevity, warranties on the engines have also been cut nearly in half or more on most GDI engines and even though these are amazing engines, they cannot be ignored like the engines of old, and much of what the dealer/owners manual tells you is NOT the best for care of your new vehicle, but fits into the marketing pitches, etc. Look at the first oil change, it is crazy to leave in the assy. debris and filings from break-in to circulate and cause premature wear. NEVER go more than 1000 miles on that factory oil fill. They also state 87 octane for the V6 when it has the same 11.5:1 CR as the LT based V8, and they CRAVE 93. And can run better on 98 with that CR. The ECU just pulls timing and defaults to the low octane tables in the tune parameters. The deception of the Automakers in regard to what they tell and share with the general public is like no other time in history as most automotive techs would tell you if not muzzled by NDA's today. So education is your friend. But finding accurate information is becoming extremely difficult. Here at EliteEngineeringUSA, we have made the commitment and substantial investment to be involved in every aspect possible to see first hand the developments, the "inside" view of the industry (we have several Engineers on staff and members of SE as well) to try and bring real effective solutions without the games others play just to sell product. We take the time to educate and share even if there is no intention of purchasing from us. And we bring you the accurate data and information from the industry and related sources so you can verify and validate what we share.

Hope this helps! But no, there is no "magic solution" aside from addressing all of this at the source as we do.

08-29-2017, 11:36 PM	#1
Marty McFlew Banned Drives: 17 SuperSport Camaro 6 on the Flo' Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 1,507	No Catch Can Needed on 2018...Mus.... No Catch can will be needed on 2018 Mustang 5.0!!!! The new 5.0 will come with both port and direct injection. The port injection will keep the valves clean unlike our cars that get gunked up. Will Chevy follow suite in our engines? Chevy....are you here?

08-30-2017, 12:49 AM	#2
1slowssm6 Drives: 2016 1ss m6 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: roxboro,nc Posts: 197	if chevy makes a pi/di setup for the 2019 camaro,makes it easily added to the 16,17,18,and sells it fairly cheap,its gonna kill these guys who built these port injection setups charging $3k+ for it. __________________ 2016 camaro 1ss,m6-npp,tsp longtubes,no cats,e85,tuned by rpm motorsports(451hp/467tq), 17"race stars drag pack,bmr upper and lower trailing arms,bmr upper control arms,bmr front cradle brace,gforce outlaw axles/driveshaft,lnf 2step. Best 1/4 mile of 11.2@122mph

08-30-2017, 01:28 AM	#3
Arugon Drives: Summit White Camaro SS Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: California Posts: 359	I'd just be happy if Chevy didn't **ing void warranties for having a catchcan installed. Chevy Service department really is just **ing garbage,

08-30-2017, 03:44 AM	#6
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	it does sound like a good idea.might even cause some to trade for a newer model that might not have otherwise.

08-30-2017, 09:53 AM	#9
Elite Engineering Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 1,382	The Hybrid small port injectors have been around for years with Toyota and Audi and Ford as of 2018, but the coking is still occurring. It has slowed it slightly, but unless the fuel is steadily contacting the intake valves to cool and keep them clean, this is not a solution, and the down side is now far more detonation and knock retard as there is now a combustible mixture present during the compression stroke. More to read about that is more serious than the coking: https://noln.net/2017/02/28/unintend...rvice-writers/ So, it is more critical than ever to have a proper crankcase evacuation air/oil separation system, and no, it is against Federal Law for a dealer to void your warranty unless you install a vented or breathered system or one that in anyway defeats, reduces, or deletes ANY function of the OEM PCV system. ALL Elite Engineering systems retain all functions and a closed system as well as significantly improve the functions of the OEM system.

08-30-2017, 11:27 AM	#12
shawndean22 Drives: 2017 Camaro 1LE Join Date: May 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 59	catch can isn't needed for camaro.....

08-30-2017, 02:25 PM	#14
Elite Engineering Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 1,382	Marty McFlew, The examination of the intake valves shows a slight reduction in coking rate and severity, but unless the fuel would spray constantly like the old port injection engines, the benefits are marginal. But the real damage occurring is from LSPI detonation events breaking pistons, etc. and all oil ingestion must be stopped to prevent this. The coking wears guides as well as sheds abrasive particulate matter that contaminates the engine oil along with the fuel dilution. There is 8-12 times the amount of raw fuel entering and washing down the cylinders past the rings with GDI engines due to the fuel introduced at 2,000-3,000 PSI and it most be removed (evacuated) before it can settle and mix with the engine oil. That is where our dual valve systems come in. the convert the PCV system to full time evacuation so we are flushing and removing these compounds before they have a chance to settle and accumulate. So without taking the proper steps to care for these new engines, a much shorter life is what is in store. Here is a port injection engine with 142,000 miles and zero deposits: Ford Ecoboost with combination injection at 12k miles: So as you can see, they are far less severe than the past pure GDI valves at similar miles, but far from corrected. GM on the new LGX V6 has deleted the Positive function of the PCV system to slow the rate of coking with similar results, but remember, this also leaves most of the wear causing contaminants to remain in the crankcase accumulating in the engine oil accelerating wear. This has become acceptable in the Automotive industry as the average new car buyer keeps their vehicle less than 3 years so and with the issue of GDI having such a negative impact on engine longevity, warranties on the engines have also been cut nearly in half or more on most GDI engines and even though these are amazing engines, they cannot be ignored like the engines of old, and much of what the dealer/owners manual tells you is NOT the best for care of your new vehicle, but fits into the marketing pitches, etc. Look at the first oil change, it is crazy to leave in the assy. debris and filings from break-in to circulate and cause premature wear. NEVER go more than 1000 miles on that factory oil fill. They also state 87 octane for the V6 when it has the same 11.5:1 CR as the LT based V8, and they CRAVE 93. And can run better on 98 with that CR. The ECU just pulls timing and defaults to the low octane tables in the tune parameters. The deception of the Automakers in regard to what they tell and share with the general public is like no other time in history as most automotive techs would tell you if not muzzled by NDA's today. So education is your friend. But finding accurate information is becoming extremely difficult. Here at EliteEngineeringUSA, we have made the commitment and substantial investment to be involved in every aspect possible to see first hand the developments, the "inside" view of the industry (we have several Engineers on staff and members of SE as well) to try and bring real effective solutions without the games others play just to sell product. We take the time to educate and share even if there is no intention of purchasing from us. And we bring you the accurate data and information from the industry and related sources so you can verify and validate what we share. Hope this helps! But no, there is no "magic solution" aside from addressing all of this at the source as we do.

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