[oldman]

Also we know these new superchargers are designed for longer runners, what is the runner length vs EForce?

[Atomic Ed]

Can't speak for the Magnuson, but the E-Force tune surprised both myself and the local tuner when I did a dyno run. As per the tuner, the AFR's were spot on for the LT1 (being a DI) and a PD system. the knock sensors were just on the ragged edge of cutting in, and timing was about where he puts his tune. (He's done several LT1 corvettes with prochargers lately.) He think's he could pull a few more ponys out, but not much without adders to the system. (And a much cooler day!)

My opinion is you shouldn't see a dime's worth of difference between the two systems. Can't be much difference, given the TVS2300 guts are the same as well as the head configuration, supercharger configuration and spacing are nearly the same. If I had to guess. the runners might be longer in the Magnuson simply because the Mag looks taller. So, yea, the difference might be in the tune, but I don't see Magnuson putting out a bad software product. But really, there can't be a huge differences. Either one is a great choice.

The more I drive my E-Force the more I'm beginning to really appreciate this FI system. For a daily driver, it's a big step up from the turbo system I have on the Audi. No more, ah, here comes the power; it's just there! With the E-Force, I think my 2SS is now right in that sweet spot of having the right balance of power, handling, comfort, usability and style. 450 ft.-lbs. of torque at 2500 is taking some getting use to though; my right foot needs re-training.

[oldman]

sweet write up. I got a reply from Mag, they do include a tuner.

[Atomic Ed]

A side-by-side physical comparison would be entertaining. But performance comparisons are always fraught with so many variables.

[E-Ray]

Originally Posted by Atomic Ed

Can't speak for the Magnuson, but the E-Force tune surprised both myself and the local tuner when I did a dyno run. As per the tuner, the AFR's were spot on for the LT1 (being a DI) and a PD system. the knock sensors were just on the ragged edge of cutting in, and timing was about where he puts his tune. (He's done several LT1 corvettes with prochargers lately.) He think's he could pull a few more ponys out, but not much without adders to the system. (And a much cooler day!)

My opinion is you shouldn't see a dime's worth of difference between the two systems. Can't be much difference, given the TVS2300 guts are the same as well as the head configuration, supercharger configuration and spacing are nearly the same. If I had to guess. the runners might be longer in the Magnuson simply because the Mag looks taller. So, yea, the difference might be in the tune, but I don't see Magnuson putting out a bad software product. But really, there can't be a huge differences. Either one is a great choice.

The more I drive my E-Force the more I'm beginning to really appreciate this FI system. For a daily driver, it's a big step up from the turbo system I have on the Audi. No more, ah, here comes the power; it's just there! With the E-Force, I think my 2SS is now right in that sweet spot of having the right balance of power, handling, comfort, usability and style. 450 ft.-lbs. of torque at 2500 is taking some getting use to though; my right foot needs re-training.

Man that E-Force sounds great. I have the auto 2SS, and my E-Force came in yesterday. Was delivered to my installer. Scheduled to be installed Tuesday. Can't wait!!!!!

[toohighpsi]

The maggie has a slightly taller lid, better rotor porting, bigger intercoolers, and with the inlet adapter arrangement, it is capable of accepting up to a 108mm throttle body. Other than that they are the same rotating group and have the same powertrain warranty. The Maggie is now CARB approved.

[Atomic Ed]

Originally Posted by E-Ray

Man that E-Force sounds great. I have the auto 2SS, and my E-Force came in yesterday. Was delivered to my installer. Scheduled to be installed Tuesday. Can't wait!!!!!

You are going to love it!! I am curious what the difference is in the kits, if any. I suspect it's just the tune.

Do post a dyno run when you get it done.

[Atomic Ed]

Originally Posted by toohighpsi

The maggie has a slightly taller lid, better rotor porting, bigger intercoolers, and with the inlet adapter arrangement, it is capable of accepting up to a 108mm throttle body. Other than that they are the same rotating group and have the same powertrain warranty. The Maggie is now CARB approved.

A tip of the hat to the Maggi then.

I am wondering, due to the design of the Maggi/E-Force, if the concept of runner length is even valid. Wouldn't the total post-compressed volume be more important/equivalent?

The bigger intercoolers caught my eye. I'm already noodling on ideas on increasing overall cooling efficiency. 160* thermostat is an easy try. Maybe a double row A/W radiator, Evan's cooling, or bigger intercoolers, maybe. IAT's shot up pretty fast on the dyno, but is was a hot day.

I fight heat in this area more than cold

[DisturbedSS]

"does the Magnuson come with best tune as option?"

and not a single comment about a magnuson tune - hilarious. If forums were ever on topic, 90% of posts wouldn't exist.

Since we really arent discussing magnuson at all, which sucks, hopefully you all have a better experience than I did with Edelbrock. Tons of heat and an occasional loss of power. Definitely couldnt handle the summer heat of AZ - ended up selling the car to avoid years of issues.

[Atomic Ed]

Originally Posted by DisturbedSS

"does the Magnuson come with best tune as option?"

and not a single comment about a magnuson tune - hilarious. If forums were ever on topic, 90% of posts wouldn't exist.

Since we really arent discussing magnuson at all, which sucks, hopefully you all have a better experience than I did with Edelbrock. Tons of heat and an occasional loss of power. Definitely couldnt handle the summer heat of AZ - ended up selling the car to avoid years of issues.

What the.....?? You sold your car because you didn't want to deal with the IAT/timing pull issue? No reaching out to others here? And you drag up an old topic to make this announcement?

[DisturbedSS]

Originally Posted by Atomic Ed

What the.....?? You sold your car because you didn't want to deal with the IAT/timing pull issue? No reaching out to others here? And you drag up an old topic to make this announcement?

An "old" 3 month topic that hits first on a google search for the very subject Im looking for.

All I want to know is if the stock tune with the magnuson SC system is good and is there anyone in these forums that uses it. Tuning outside of magnuson supplied tune voids their 3 year/36 month PT warantee (I actually read the fine print), hence why I want what comes with the S/C - unless others chime in with negativity towards it.

Thats 1 on-topic comment..and probably the last <sigh>

[AndyUK]

Originally Posted by Atomic Ed

What the.....?? You sold your car because you didn't want to deal with the IAT/timing pull issue? No reaching out to others here? And you drag up an old topic to make this announcement?

even better than that, he over paid on the install in the first place, it suffered some kind of failure (I'm guessing Oil Pump Gear as it was a Mustang), he got it fixed THEN sold it at auction for cents on the dollar

check out his post history, its pretty funny stuff

he now pops up in every thread telling people mods are a waste of money and then starts asking loads of questions about a magnusson install

[Stefano]

The basic Magnuson Tune for the 2016 Camaro is good and functional. Their basic tunes are extremely conservative and are as good as just about any "kit" tunes, I have seen/dynoed.

I believe that you will find the E-Force Kit making more power out of the box, but I believe this is due mainly to additional boost.

[toohighpsi]

More boost doesn't automatically equal more power, it's a balance of timing/boost for a specific octane/IAT which produces the most power. 8-9 PSI on pump gas might have been OK for an LS, but it is a bit much for an LT1 running pump gas.