[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by Capricio

Taxing them while subsidizing to promote them? Or wait until they are more widely adopted before dropping the bad news (bait and switch)?

Trivia question:

How much taxpayer money annually is given to oil companies in the US in the form of subsidy? What would the average price of fuel at the pump be without that money?

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Trivia question:

How much taxpayer money annually is given to oil companies in the US in the form of subsidy? What would the average price of fuel at the pump be without that money?

Here's the difference - Without oil subsidies (tax breaks) most people's standard of living would drop. A bunch. Because almost everything we consume is tied in some way to petrochemicals.

Without subsidies for EV's hardly anyone notices or cares.

[The Chief (tm)]

Jimmy, true, but then again, there are lots of countries in Europe with the equivalent of $10 / gal. gasoline, but which still have a high standard of living... despite getting reamed on natural gas prices since Russia started playing games with supply.

[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Here's the difference - Without oil subsidies (tax breaks) most people's standard of living would drop. A bunch. Because almost everything we consume is tied in some way to petrochemicals.

Without subsidies for EV's hardly anyone notices or cares.

Oh, tax breaks too, you're right. I hadn't mentioned that. I'm talking about actual cash tax dollars forked over from your and my paychecks to oil companies, but I guess if we added all the subsidies and tax breaks together the number would be even bigger, wouldn't it?

So it sounds like there's a little two-faced stuff going on here. We like a little socialism and government cheese when it's for oil, but put a little money on EV's (less than 1% of vehicles on US roads) and suddenly people are crying on message boards about it? Hmm...

I'm still waiting to see how much money we give to oil companies on an annual basis--before even purchasing their product. What's the number? Someone say it...

[Martinjlm]

SAE just finalized a single standard (J2974) for Wireless EV Charging. Could be a big deal Wireless Charging is consistently at the top of the list of “wanna haves” for EV owners and intenders. I like the technology and have been following it for a while, but I’m surprised it is that popular. It could be a step in the right direction for apartment complexes and condo communities. It would allow EVs to charge simply b parking correctly over top of a charge pad. At this poin it has a 93% efficiency rate wrt a plug-in charger. This is the point where I say that I’m not really ready to give up 7% efficiency just to eliminate the Herculean task off actually plugging the car in.

[Martinjlm]

Scat Pack has

• 20” Wheels with GY Eagle F1 Supercar 3 305/35ZR20 front; 325 rear
• 6-piston Brembo front; 4-piston rear
• Drag, Drift, and Donut modes
• 0-60 in 3.3s; 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 134 mph
• 670 hp / 627 lb-ft (w/Stage 2 Power Shot)
• (2) 250 kW permanent magnet motors, one on each axle providing AWD
• Power Shot button on the steering wheel provides an extra 40hp for 15s

What we have here folks is the world’s first eeee-lectric muscle car.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Scat Pack has

• 20” Wheels with GY Eagle F1 Supercar 3 305/35ZR20 front; 325 rear
• 6-piston Brembo front; 4-piston rear
• Drag, Drift, and Donut modes
• 0-60 in 3.3s; 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 134 mph
• 670 hp / 627 lb-ft (w/Stage 2 Power Shot)
• (2) 250 kW permanent magnet motors, one on each axle providing AWD
• Power Shot button on the steering wheel provides an extra 40hp for 15s

What we have here folks is the world’s first eeee-lectric muscle car.

That weighs almost 6000 lb.....

Certainly carries along the heritage of the LX/LY vehicles of being incredibly heavy vehicles.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Trivia question:

How much taxpayer money annually is given to oil companies in the US in the form of subsidy? What would the average price of fuel at the pump be without that money?

Most of what you're lumping into the term "subsidies" are tax deductions based on depreciation schedules and paying taxes in foreign countries. Not outright graft handing money to retail buyers as a reward for buying what the government told them to buy, over other competing choices in the marketplace.

[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by Capricio

Most of what you're lumping into the term "subsidies" are tax deductions based on depreciation schedules and paying taxes in foreign countries. Not outright graft handing money to retail buyers as a reward for buying what the government told them to buy, over other competing choices in the marketplace.

Most, but not all. So, I'm right again! So how much in taxes do they get away with not paying? I haven't seen a number quoted yet. Afraid to admit what a mooch they are?

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

SAE just finalized a single standard (J2974) for Wireless EV Charging. Could be a big deal Wireless Charging is consistently at the top of the list of “wanna haves” for EV owners and intenders. I like the technology and have been following it for a while, but I’m surprised it is that popular. It could be a step in the right direction for apartment complexes and condo communities. It would allow EVs to charge simply b parking correctly over top of a charge pad. At this poin it has a 93% efficiency rate wrt a plug-in charger. This is the point where I say that I’m not really ready to give up 7% efficiency just to eliminate the Herculean task off actually plugging the car in.

Help me understand how wireless is better for multi-family communities. Power still has to be trenched, a pad installed. What is the advantage over installing pedestal/ wired chargers?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Most, but not all. So, I'm right again! So how much in taxes do they get away with not paying? I haven't seen a number quoted yet. Afraid to admit what a mooch they are?



Help me understand how wireless is better for multi-family communities. Power still has to be trenched, a pad installed. What is the advantage over installing pedestal/ wired chargers?

Some HOAs in condo communities have denied EV owners permission to install charging stations because of the aesthetics of the big tower and/or tripping hazard because of extending the cord. Also if installing in garages with tight spacing they are very unobtrusive and also eliminates the cord laying around.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by The Chief (tm)

Jimmy, true, but then again, there are lots of countries in Europe with the equivalent of $10 / gal. gasoline, but which still have a high standard of living... despite getting reamed on natural gas prices since Russia started playing games with supply.

That's just gasoline. And the only reason it is that high is because they tax the crap out of it. All of the other things that are made from petrochemicals are made out of the same $75 oil as the rest of the world, hence an equivalent standard of living.

[genxer]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Some HOAs in condo communities have denied EV owners permission to install charging stations because of the aesthetics of the big tower and/or tripping hazard because of extending the cord. Also if installing in garages with tight spacing they are very unobtrusive and also eliminates the cord laying around.

How many people do you know that pump gas every driving day, just for that day?

Don't underestimate the capacity of people to reject manual, daily, plugging-in as inconvenient. It might be the reason plug-in hybrid isn't more appreciated.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by MSS1LE

Just as the Banshee isn’t a muscle car, the new Dodge ‘six pack’ isn’t what you think. Back in the day, a ‘six pack’ was three, two barrel carburetors sitting on a V8. Today consumers are being told a ‘six pack’ is a turbo six cylinder engine. Will they buy it?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...eUV?ocid=hpmsn


About those batteries…turns out replacing them is a wee bit expensive.

“Labor costs are substantial, and DIY replacements are not feasible, further adding to expenses.…Real-life instances illustrate the wide range of potential costs. For example, reports include a 2018 Model 3 Long Range replacement costing $13,093, while a 2012 Model S required a $16,579 battery replacement, significantly impacting its value.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...zwu?ocid=hpmsn

Darn, that gas tax EV owners get to avoid…looks like governments are deciding the free ride is over.

“Additionally, they point out that EVs tend to be heavier than their gas-powered brethren, which has a negative impact on the roads they drive over.

"EVs tend to be heavier than similar internal combustion vehicles and cause more wear and tear on provincial roadways while their owners pay no fuel tax."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...daa3a8b01&ei=9

As I drink my coffee and smile at the smoking rubble of the EV market one word comes to mind…Schadenfreude.

Originally Posted by MSS1LE

More good news for EV fanboys.

“EV Tough Market

Ford’s EV sales should be better, even in a challenging market. Its two main EVs are among the industry’s most well-known brands. It has been unable to move that brand power to its two new vehicles. The Mustang, first built in 1964, is a prime example. It has been America’s iconic sports car for over half a century. The brand has been slapped onto an EV crossover, and it has not worked.

Ford’s primary EV fleet goals won’t be met by 2030. Not only are its models unpopular. EV sales growth has weakened. Some of this has been blamed on high prices, long charging times, and low battery ranges. None of this has mattered.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...d9e96ee0&ei=10

Sounds like some of the wacky stuff Wyzz_Kidd would say, but he’s not here anymore… or is he?

Anyway, I’m trying to make it a point not to go for the cheese in these threads, and this is definitely cheese. Instead, I will focus on providing new information and/or products, good or bad, for those on this thread that actually have an interest in learning what’s going on in the EV world as opposed to just pi$$ing in the punch bowl.

So, with that in mind, it looks like Fisker is going to work with Nissan to
A) Build Fisker pickup EVs at a Nissan plant and/or
B) Allow Nissan to build the pickup with a Nissan badge from Fisker intellectual property.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Why a pickup? That just seems stupid. We already know that nobody wants a Lighting. There is no market.