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ULTRAZLS1 · 12-29-2017, 04:41 AM

Is the cobra jet even a street legal car? I know the copo is not.

Fail on that argument if so.

L99BEN · 12-29-2017, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Is the cobra jet even a street legal car? I know the copo is not.

Fail on that argument if so.

The cobra jet mustang was a factory built turnkey drag racer that was NOT street legal.

https://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-r...o-be-produced/

https://youtu.be/KN876-AXyuY

ST1LE · 12-29-2017, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

He'll reply as soon as he looks up a bunch of words and terms that he learned in debate class to use incorrectly.

Yeah, seems the Troll is running out of gas or doesn't know the difference between cars you can legally drive on the street and race cars.

The latter can't be true, he uses too many big words to be dumb.

You can always spot a troll, because everything they post has the sole purpose of instigation, and they dodge perfectly valid questions........I'm still waiting on that one..........

Dude's post history is atrociously troll-like........coincidence?

newmoon · 12-29-2017, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Is the cobra jet even a street legal car? I know the copo is not.

Fail on that argument if so.

I agree the Cobra Jet doesn't belong in the conversation, the op was reaching. That being said it shouldn't be long before a more powerful Mustang is offered at or near 800-hp

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...8-leaked-again

ST1LE · 12-29-2017, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

He'll reply as soon as he looks up a bunch of words and terms that he learned in debate class to use incorrectly.

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Originally Posted by newmoon

I agree the Cobra Jet doesn't belong in the conversation, the op was reaching. That being said it shouldn't be long before a more powerful Mustang is offered at or near 800-hp

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...8-leaked-again

Yup! Whatever the GT500 will be, I am positive it's going to be one bad mofo!

96MrBass · 12-29-2017, 08:30 AM

Its seems most of the focus on performance is in a straight line in this thread. With that being said Ford with the last GT500 IS still in in the 1/4 mile conversation I would think. Albeit it's not going to carve a corner and would need the perfect launch being manual in a drag. If one is lined up next to a HC or ZL1 the car's in it's class it's a race no? As for the new gt vs SS too early to tell imo..

DevilsReject97 · 12-29-2017, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Its seems most of the focus on performance is in a straight line in this thread. With that being said Ford with the last GT500 IS still in in the 1/4 mile conversation I would think. Albeit it's not going to carve a corner and would need the perfect launch being manual in a drag. If one is lined up next to a HC or ZL1 the car's in it's class it's a race no? As for the new gt vs SS too early to tell imo..

It would be in the discussion, but the HC and ZL1 both are going to finish ahead of it. Additionally, outside of a drag race....

The GT500 was pretty much junk...

For the lap time records at VIR, the GT500 finished 68th overall....40 spots behind the current GT350R....and literally less than 4 seconds ahead of a V6 1LE...

The car was beautiful, it was a beast in a straight line...but it was literally a joke in all other aspects of performance...

FastCarFanBoy · 12-29-2017, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It would be in the discussion, but the HC and ZL1 both are going to finish ahead of it. Additionally, outside of a drag race....

The GT500 was pretty much junk...

For the lap time records at VIR, the GT500 finished 68th overall....40 spots behind the current GT350R....and literally less than 4 seconds ahead of a V6 1LE...

The car was beautiful, it was a beast in a straight line...but it was literally a joke in all other aspects of performance...

The Gt500 was not suited for sustained track duty without some brake modification... fluid, pads and cooling ducts make a huge difference on it. Calling it junk is just silly. On the street it is a beast.

ST1LE · 12-29-2017, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

The Gt500 was not suited for sustained track duty without some brake modification... fluid, pads and cooling ducts make a huge difference on it. Calling it junk is just silly. On the street it is a beast.

I think his comments were based on stock cars, we ALL know you can modify a car and make it better.

In stock form, compared to cars of today, it is junk on the track.

DevilsReject97 · 12-29-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

I think his comments were based on stock cars, we ALL know you can modify a car and make it better.

In stock form, compared to cars of today, it is junk on the track.

Correct.

Just as the 2018 GT does better with quality tires as opposed to those crappy 245s...

Bottom line is, that for the money, the car was severely outclassed by lesser cars when it came to doing anything but a straight line. Now, give it proper brakes and a better suspension....you'd have a pretty nice car...

ST1LE · 12-29-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Correct.

Just as the 2018 GT does better with quality tires as opposed to those crappy 245s...

Bottom line is, that for the money, the car was severely outclassed by lesser cars when it came to doing anything but a straight line. Now, give it proper brakes and a better suspension....you'd have a pretty nice car...

Right, it's begging for some mods. Perfect used buy, throw some money in it and you have a spectacular car for the money.

BlaqWhole · 12-29-2017, 11:29 AM

Well to be fair, the GT500 was last produced in 2014. It had a solid axle and it was meant to be pretty good in cornering but have an emphasis on straight line runs. So you can't really compare it a completely new Gen Camaro that came around 2 MYs later and has an emphasis on cornering. And less than 4 seconds ahead of the V6 1LE still means more than 3 seconds. That is an ass kicking it'll put on the V6 1LE. It isn't even close. The V6 1LE in it's most extreme performance can't even hold a candle to the GT500. Also, the GT500 DID beat the 5th Gen ZL1 and 5th Gen Z28 in a straight line and around a track. It's only problem was that the braking faded after sustained runs. But even at that point I don't think the ZL1 and/or Z28 were able to beat it. Sorry guys but the GT500 was a complete monster and Chevy did not have an answer for it (in the form of a Camaro) while it was in production. I have nothing but respect for that car!

BlaqWhole · 12-29-2017, 11:35 AM

Also the GT350R was supposed to beat the GT500. It was on a new chassis, had IRS, CF wheels, and it was entirely suited for track duty while the GT500 was not entirely suited for that. I don't care at all for the GT350(R). It did outperform the GT500 in all but a straight line. But you can't fault the GT500 for that being the case. It was the last 2 years of an outgoing chassis with outgoing tech. It would be like criticizing the 5th Gen ZL1 and Z28 for being inferior to the current Gen SS 1LE.

BlaqWhole · 12-29-2017, 11:40 AM

Oh no...am I becoming a troll? LOL!!

Just kidding. But yea the GT500 was an impressive car. That is one car that Ford actually puts effort into making it impressive. The upcoming one will likewise be impressive. But Ford needs to throw an auto trans in it already. Even with 750 HP I doubt it'll beat an A10 ZL1 in a straight line. It'll probably just edge out the M6 ZL1 tho. And I'm sure it'll beat the ZL1 around a track. Not sure it'll beat the ZL1 1LE around a track tho. Although it is late to the party by a few years we can expect to have a fight on our hands...and it'll be about damn time.

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96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	Its seems most of the focus on performance is in a straight line in this thread. With that being said Ford with the last GT500 IS still in in the 1/4 mile conversation I would think. Albeit it's not going to carve a corner and would need the perfect launch being manual in a drag. If one is lined up next to a HC or ZL1 the car's in it's class it's a race no? As for the new gt vs SS too early to tell imo.. __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.

12-29-2017, 04:41 AM	#1051
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,407	Is the cobra jet even a street legal car? I know the copo is not. Fail on that argument if so.

12-29-2017, 11:29 AM	#1062
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Well to be fair, the GT500 was last produced in 2014. It had a solid axle and it was meant to be pretty good in cornering but have an emphasis on straight line runs. So you can't really compare it a completely new Gen Camaro that came around 2 MYs later and has an emphasis on cornering. And less than 4 seconds ahead of the V6 1LE still means more than 3 seconds. That is an ass kicking it'll put on the V6 1LE. It isn't even close. The V6 1LE in it's most extreme performance can't even hold a candle to the GT500. Also, the GT500 DID beat the 5th Gen ZL1 and 5th Gen Z28 in a straight line and around a track. It's only problem was that the braking faded after sustained runs. But even at that point I don't think the ZL1 and/or Z28 were able to beat it. Sorry guys but the GT500 was a complete monster and Chevy did not have an answer for it (in the form of a Camaro) while it was in production. I have nothing but respect for that car!

12-29-2017, 11:35 AM	#1063
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Also the GT350R was supposed to beat the GT500. It was on a new chassis, had IRS, CF wheels, and it was entirely suited for track duty while the GT500 was not entirely suited for that. I don't care at all for the GT350(R). It did outperform the GT500 in all but a straight line. But you can't fault the GT500 for that being the case. It was the last 2 years of an outgoing chassis with outgoing tech. It would be like criticizing the 5th Gen ZL1 and Z28 for being inferior to the current Gen SS 1LE.

12-29-2017, 11:40 AM	#1064
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Oh no...am I becoming a troll? LOL!! Just kidding. But yea the GT500 was an impressive car. That is one car that Ford actually puts effort into making it impressive. The upcoming one will likewise be impressive. But Ford needs to throw an auto trans in it already. Even with 750 HP I doubt it'll beat an A10 ZL1 in a straight line. It'll probably just edge out the M6 ZL1 tho. And I'm sure it'll beat the ZL1 around a track. Not sure it'll beat the ZL1 1LE around a track tho. Although it is late to the party by a few years we can expect to have a fight on our hands...and it'll be about damn time.

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