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Old 09-16-2013, 11:28 AM   #57
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So what you are saying is no one outside of the US should get the opportunity to own one??? And it's more than a few hundred FYI. The larger car market is OUTSIDE the USA.
I can agree with much of what cheveey57 is saying.

These are American muscle cars. I agree that the styling should change either being an evolution of current design or some other "way forward" design. But what I don't agree with is the idea that the design should be European influenced. Yes I completely realize they want these cars to be "global" cars.

The thing is...lots of europeans LOVE American muscle just the way it is. I know for a fact when you drive something as simple as a 2009 GT with exhaust through Germany, the people there will gawk and stare like you are some kind of rock star. They love it.

I feel like if we start making our beloved cars look like theirs...it just dilutes the strong heritage and pride we take with American muscle.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:51 PM   #58
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Got any numbers to support that ?
Ummm... We have 300-400 million people in the USA...the rest of the world has 7 billion. No hard vehicular facts other than knowing china is the biggest automobile sales country on the whole. Middle East has a HUGE muscle car following and follow euro standards. As well as Europeans that love muscle cars. There is a demand for sure.
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:16 PM   #59
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If the Vette is any indication then heck no.
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:32 PM   #60
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I can agree with much of what cheveey57 is saying.

These are American muscle cars. I agree that the styling should change either being an evolution of current design or some other "way forward" design. But what I don't agree with is the idea that the design should be European influenced. Yes I completely realize they want these cars to be "global" cars.

The thing is...lots of europeans LOVE American muscle just the way it is. I know for a fact when you drive something as simple as a 2009 GT with exhaust through Germany, the people there will gawk and stare like you are some kind of rock star. They love it.

I feel like if we start making our beloved cars look like theirs...it just dilutes the strong heritage and pride we take with American muscle.
Great points....the Europeans can already get euro designed cars and GM will never "out-euro" the Germans in terms of design.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:01 PM   #61
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Judging by that picture we're in good hands in my opinion. I love everything about the C7.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:55 PM   #62
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Got any numbers to support that ?
Seriously? China is the world's largest automotive market right now. Why do you think GM is spending boatloads to set up shop there before anyone else gets a good foothold?
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:33 PM   #63
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Seriously? China is the world's largest automotive market right now. Why do you think GM is spending boatloads to set up shop there before anyone else gets a good foothold?
I want numbers. When I was stationed in Japan I could count on one hand the American cars I saw. Did you ever visit Chinatown ny or flushing ny millions of Chinese there and most buy Toyotas, fact. The rich or well off buy German. Very few buy American.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:40 PM   #64
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I want numbers. When I was stationed in Japan I could count on one hand the American cars I saw. Did you ever visit Chinatown ny or flushing ny millions of Chinese there and most buy Toyotas, fact. The rich or well off buy German. Very few buy American.
Here are the numbers for China.
General Motors (GM) and its joint ventures sold 11% more vehicles last month in China compared with last year, marking the first time its sales there topped 200,000 units in July.
The Detroit auto maker said Monday it sold a record 221,580 units in China, led by strong demand for brands like the Buick and Excelle, which rose 25.7% and 10.9%, respectively.

The continued introduction of Cadillac and Malibu in China triggered an 82.8% and 400% increase in sales, respectively, with Cadillac’s gains being led by the SRX and the XTS.


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Old 09-16-2013, 05:44 PM   #65
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I want numbers. When I was stationed in Japan I could count on one hand the American cars I saw. Did you ever visit Chinatown ny or flushing ny millions of Chinese there and most buy Toyotas, fact. The rich or well off buy German. Very few buy American.
Seriously?

GM US Sales 2012: 2,595,717 units
GM China Sales 2012: 2,836,128 units

And China DESPISES Japan. Toyota and Honda sales plummeted in China last year when the two countries got into it with each other.

Plus Japan has super restrictive import laws which is why American manufacturers have little to no presence there.
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I don't think it's about design in China but fuel economy . I myself don't like the looks of the C7 but at least the world seems to love it. China has way more ppl than the US ! They have twice as many ppl than we do if I'm correct. So, that could be why they sell more too.
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Seriously?

GM US Sales 2012: 2,595,717 units
GM China Sales 2012: 2,836,128 units

And China DESPISES Japan. Toyota and Honda sales plummeted in China last year when the two countries got into it with each other.

Plus Japan has super restrictive import laws which is why American manufacturers have little to no presence there.
Those numbers are impressive, but I'm betting most are not Vettes or Camaros for that matter.
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Corvette and Camaro don't make up most of GM's US sales either.
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So what you are saying is no one outside of the US should get the opportunity to own one??? And it's more than a few hundred FYI. The larger car market is OUTSIDE the USA.
Making it look American isn't saying they can't buy our cars . They make their cars look European and we have the opportunity to own. Looks don't determine if you have the opportunity to own it or not.
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