200 lb loss " model to model " - Page 3

ChefBorOzzy · 05-20-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Are heated and cooled seats and heated steering wheel standard on 2ss? If so I'm very impressed...

Yes.

obzidian · 05-20-2015, 04:59 PM

According to edmunds.. the curb weight on the LT's are 3738lbs. to 3802lbs. and the SS's are 3908lbs. to 3935lbs.

So in other words we can see a SS in the low 3700lbs range and an LT in the mid 3500lbs range.

Man thats awesome!

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-20-2015, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Yes.

Thanks

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-20-2015, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by obzidian

According to edmunds.. the curb weight on the LT's are 3738lbs. to 3802lbs. and the SS's are 3908lbs. to 3935lbs.

So in other words we can see a SS in the low 3700lbs range and an LT in the mid 3500lbs range.

Man thats awesome!

Or as low as 3438 for absolute cheapest model made. ( 300 lb loss floating around as well)

obzidian · 05-20-2015, 05:19 PM

Nice! We're in the late 90's early 2000's when f-body's had that kind o weight!

Mr Twisty · 05-20-2015, 05:33 PM

~ 3:30 "More than 200 pounds, model for model." -Mark Reuss

And yes, it's a pretty big deal

suzook · 05-20-2015, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Yes.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-20-2015, 05:41 PM

Lol... So what is it?????

ChefBorOzzy · 05-20-2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by suzook

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Why? Mustang premium comes with cooled and heated seats. Current Camaro 2SS comes with heated seats, doesn't it? Only seems logical.

Bhobbs · 05-20-2015, 05:50 PM

I hope the 200 lbs pans out. I'm just surprised GM could make the SS lighter than the ATS-V even though it is a larger, less expensive car.

ChefBorOzzy · 05-20-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I hope the 200 lbs pans out. I'm just surprised GM could make the SS lighter than the ATS-V even though it is a larger, less expensive car.

Less brakes. Doesn't have standard MRC.. At least I think ATS-V does. It's really less car in base SS trim than the ATS-V. 2SS and a. Ore track oriented model will probably weigh more than ATS-V.

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-20-2015, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I hope the 200 lbs pans out. I'm just surprised GM could make the SS lighter than the ATS-V even though it is a larger, less expensive car.

It's 70 percent unique from that car.

Clever engineering using what you got to work with costs nothing. For example they even drilled several holes in key areas to save weight. If they really have a team camaro... Suppose it's possible they got really clever.
It is possible... And they seem passionate enough to go all in with efforts while keeping cost down.

Another example...
The car got its width by using longer suspension parts at the same pickup points. Not gonna add much weight there.

Number 3 · 05-20-2015, 06:06 PM

So just assume 1) Mark Reuss is a smart man. I've had meetings with him and I believe that to be fact not assumption 2) Mark Reuss would not want to be called out for lying or fabricating numbers or mis representing the car and 3) Mark is very much in tune with the Camaro.

If you assume all of these to be true, and I do, model to model means 1SS to 1SS. It does NOT mean 1SS to 1SS and then add back in the new engine and add in a safety feature and add in a bracket that holds an extra airbag.

It only gets interesting to me when they do a 1LT vs 1LT. Then are they comparing model to model with V6? or are they talking 1LT 3.6L vs 1LT 2.0T?

Trust me, Mark Reuss does not want to be having to explain himself later. And as my current boss says, "if you are explaining.............you are losing".

And keep in mind, GM has already given us SAE certified HP. Much more than the "at least 450 HP" that I expected.

The surprise here will be the weight. GM has clearly put $$ and technology into the Camaro. Even I was skeptical they would do MORE than for the ATS/CTS. I am now doubting my own assumptions here.

It would not surprise me if this is the big number that makes the car. That and FE.

Keep in mind, GM took the Malibu, made it significantly bigger and dropped 300 pounds. The new Malibu weighs what a Cruze weighs.

Stay tunes on this one. I'm expecting a bombshell. Not a 201 pound bombshell either. More like 250 plus on a 1SS. Fingers crossed.

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-20-2015, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Less brakes. Doesn't have standard MRC.. At least I think ATS-V does. It's really less car in base SS trim than the ATS-V. 2SS and a. Ore track oriented model will probably weigh more than ATS-V.

If the standard 2ss ( no extra options) manual weighs an ounce over 3735 GM blatantly lied to everyone. 2ss manual curb starts at 3935 in the 2015.

I think the new auto tranny is even lighter than the manual now. The curb on a 2015 auto 2ss is like ~3970. ( gm states the 1ss auto weighs 3946) so that's going to be even easier to hit for the new auto.

I also notice people keep saying less brakes like it's only a negative sign... Anyone ever think it could be a sign the car truly is significantly lighter. ( as in it doesn't need larger ones... Not just for weight savings)...? The braking on even the standard SS will be sufficient. Excellent probably if I had to guess.

05-20-2015, 04:59 PM	#30
obzidian Drives: 98 camaro turbo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: miami Posts: 293	According to edmunds.. the curb weight on the LT's are 3738lbs. to 3802lbs. and the SS's are 3908lbs. to 3935lbs. So in other words we can see a SS in the low 3700lbs range and an LT in the mid 3500lbs range. Man thats awesome! __________________ .....

05-20-2015, 05:19 PM	#33
obzidian Drives: 98 camaro turbo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: miami Posts: 293	Nice! We're in the late 90's early 2000's when f-body's had that kind o weight! __________________ .....

05-20-2015, 05:50 PM	#38
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	I hope the 200 lbs pans out. I'm just surprised GM could make the SS lighter than the ATS-V even though it is a larger, less expensive car. __________________

05-20-2015, 06:06 PM	#41
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,170 View My Garage	So just assume 1) Mark Reuss is a smart man. I've had meetings with him and I believe that to be fact not assumption 2) Mark Reuss would not want to be called out for lying or fabricating numbers or mis representing the car and 3) Mark is very much in tune with the Camaro. If you assume all of these to be true, and I do, model to model means 1SS to 1SS. It does NOT mean 1SS to 1SS and then add back in the new engine and add in a safety feature and add in a bracket that holds an extra airbag. It only gets interesting to me when they do a 1LT vs 1LT. Then are they comparing model to model with V6? or are they talking 1LT 3.6L vs 1LT 2.0T? Trust me, Mark Reuss does not want to be having to explain himself later. And as my current boss says, "if you are explaining.............you are losing". And keep in mind, GM has already given us SAE certified HP. Much more than the "at least 450 HP" that I expected. The surprise here will be the weight. GM has clearly put $$ and technology into the Camaro. Even I was skeptical they would do MORE than for the ATS/CTS. I am now doubting my own assumptions here. It would not surprise me if this is the big number that makes the car. That and FE. Keep in mind, GM took the Malibu, made it significantly bigger and dropped 300 pounds. The new Malibu weighs what a Cruze weighs. Stay tunes on this one. I'm expecting a bombshell. Not a 201 pound bombshell either. More like 250 plus on a 1SS. Fingers crossed. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

05-20-2015, 05:41 PM	#36
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,407	Lol... So what is it?????

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