ZL1 vs Hellcat - Page 2

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-17-2016, 10:12 PM

The Hellcat is fun to talk about, and a great bragging point for Dodge...but it's basically a giant engine in a big, comfy tub with inadequate wheels/tires.

The ZL1 is SOOooooo much more.

The ZL1 needs a vs. Car A, Car B, and Car C comparison in order to be beaten in all categories it was built to compete in, at once.

ADM PERFORMANCE · 03-17-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

In a recent review the CTS-V was faster than the Hellcat to 60 and the 1/4 mile. I suspect the track would not even be close. So I expect the ZL1 being even lighter will prove the larger HP number is necessary but not sufficient.

So the Hellcat will loose everywhere to the ZL1.

2cnd chance · 03-17-2016, 10:41 PM

Estimate HC 6.4 power/weight 275 rear tire
Guesstimate ZL1 6.1 power/weight 305 rear tire

The ZL1 will most likely have a better PTW and traction...the ZL1 should win 0-60 & in the 1/4.

RenegadeXR · 03-17-2016, 11:17 PM

As others kind of said, in a straight line at the strip, it's probably close. It will come down to driver skill and how well prepared the car is for its run.

On the track, the ZL1 should beat it pretty handily. Driven by the same person, there should be a pretty big gap in lap times if they were driven back to back. The Hellcat is no slouch and reviewers tend to be pleasantly surprised with its handling considering the size and weight. SRT performance goodies make sure things like brake fade isn't a problem, like it'd be on a cheaper car like a standard Camaro SS or Challenger RT, and it should have fairly good lap consistency. Even so, it really wasn't designed from the ground up to be a track car like the ZL1.

I really want to see the comparisons when they come out. Speculation like this sucks and isn't nearly as fun as seeing them actually go head to head. Just need to wait 6+ months.

Jeffro19 · 03-17-2016, 11:37 PM

I can't wait for the comparisons. Just gonna be a long time to wait for them since we probably won't see any ZL1 cars getting delivered till at least November or so. Gonna be a great matchup

NASTY99Z28 · 03-17-2016, 11:50 PM

The hellcat will when a drag race auto vs auto and pull away from a roll. I'll take a gentlemen's bet with anyone that's says otherwise. ;-)

macwest · 03-18-2016, 12:14 AM

The challenger is great if you want old school feel and nostalgic look in a modern car. Camaro is more of a sports car. 6th gen still deciding on looks. On performance hard to say anything till we see dyno and test results. Hellcat is underrated and will be interesting to see what ZL1 comes in as. The great part for us as a consumer is having both in market will help keep price coughing dealers down.

FINALLYSATISFIED · 03-18-2016, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

In a recent review the CTS-V was faster than the Hellcat to 60 and the 1/4 mile. I suspect the track would not even be close. So I expect the ZL1 being even lighter will prove the larger HP number is necessary but not sufficient.

It's been proven to run a 10.5-10.8. I've seen plenty of reviews where the Hellcat beats the CTS-V too. It's going to be an exciting match up between the 2 vehicles. Dodge let it be known what they have so GM and Ford shouldn't have any problem catching up. The Charger Hellcat is just as fast. I guess we all have to wait and see...

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Johnman · 03-18-2016, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 3

In a recent review the CTS-V was faster than the Hellcat to 60 and the 1/4 mile. I suspect the track would not even be close. So I expect the ZL1 being even lighter will prove the larger HP number is necessary but not sufficient.

Yes, the CTS-V beat the Charger Hellcat in acceleration tests even though their PTW was listed as identical.

Fred 16 · 03-18-2016, 05:51 AM

Hellcat = straight line

ZL1 = circuit + straight line

motorhead · 03-18-2016, 06:30 AM

Im a mopar guy at heart, but I really don't see the hellcat out performing this new ZL1. With that being said, I also believe that either car would and will be an absolute joy to drive. My local Dodge dealer has a B5 Hellcat coming supposedly. I just dont think I could do it knowing this ZL1 is coming. Now if he would have ordered white all bets would have been off. Lol.

It really doesn't matter to me which car is a couple of tenths faster on the 1320. It's matters which one is the overall best one to live with every day and feels more nimple. I has an SRT8 yellow jacket and it felt like a tank.

Jeffro19 · 03-18-2016, 08:38 AM

Here is the comparison test between the 2015 ZL1 and the 2015 Hellcat. Like someone said earlier this test showed the cars were pretty close except maybe for acceleration tests. The 2017 ZL1 will be lighter and more power. Gonna be exciting to watch them battle it out.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9WIjTBBuLp0

FastCarFanBoy · 03-18-2016, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Robmypro

The Hellcat is way too heavy. It has no room to put real meats in the rear.

I believe a 315 fits...305 for sure , so how wide are "real meats"?

DenverTaco07 · 03-18-2016, 09:14 AM

Hellcat guys....coming in here talking about Hellcat doing 10.8 or whatever...

ummm - that's after the driver has changed the STOCK tires and put on DR's. It's low 11's with stock tires - which is awesome, but let's not leave out the important details.

03-17-2016, 10:12 PM	#15
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	The Hellcat is fun to talk about, and a great bragging point for Dodge...but it's basically a giant engine in a big, comfy tub with inadequate wheels/tires. The ZL1 is SOOooooo much more. The ZL1 needs a vs. Car A, Car B, and Car C comparison in order to be beaten in all categories it was built to compete in, at once. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

03-17-2016, 10:41 PM	#17
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	Estimate HC 6.4 power/weight 275 rear tire Guesstimate ZL1 6.1 power/weight 305 rear tire The ZL1 will most likely have a better PTW and traction...the ZL1 should win 0-60 & in the 1/4. __________________

03-17-2016, 11:37 PM	#19
Jeffro19 Drives: 2018 ZL1 6M, Silverado High Country Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,101	I can't wait for the comparisons. Just gonna be a long time to wait for them since we probably won't see any ZL1 cars getting delivered till at least November or so. Gonna be a great matchup __________________ Previous Camaro's - 2002 Z28 6 spd manual, T tops, Sebring Silver - 2010 2SS 6 spd manual, Cyber Gray Metallic Current Vehicles - 2018 ZL1 Red Hot 6 spd manual, Carbon Hood, Sunroof 2019 Silverado High Country, Daily Driver

03-17-2016, 11:50 PM	#20
NASTY99Z28 Drives: 99z28 with bolt-ons and a mwc fab 9 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 1,277	The hellcat will when a drag race auto vs auto and pull away from a roll. I'll take a gentlemen's bet with anyone that's says otherwise. ;-) __________________ I like my woman like my milk shakes, THICK!!!!

03-18-2016, 12:14 AM	#21
macwest Drives: 10 Camaro 2SS/RS, 70 Cuda, 71 Cuda Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Oakley - Northern California Posts: 1,156 View My Garage	The challenger is great if you want old school feel and nostalgic look in a modern car. Camaro is more of a sports car. 6th gen still deciding on looks. On performance hard to say anything till we see dyno and test results. Hellcat is underrated and will be interesting to see what ZL1 comes in as. The great part for us as a consumer is having both in market will help keep price coughing dealers down. __________________ "Z28 = first time I bought a new car just to strip parts for my current ride. GM needs to re-think restricted parts. "

03-17-2016, 11:17 PM	#18
RenegadeXR Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,849	As others kind of said, in a straight line at the strip, it's probably close. It will come down to driver skill and how well prepared the car is for its run. On the track, the ZL1 should beat it pretty handily. Driven by the same person, there should be a pretty big gap in lap times if they were driven back to back. The Hellcat is no slouch and reviewers tend to be pleasantly surprised with its handling considering the size and weight. SRT performance goodies make sure things like brake fade isn't a problem, like it'd be on a cheaper car like a standard Camaro SS or Challenger RT, and it should have fairly good lap consistency. Even so, it really wasn't designed from the ground up to be a track car like the ZL1. I really want to see the comparisons when they come out. Speculation like this sucks and isn't nearly as fun as seeing them actually go head to head. Just need to wait 6+ months.

03-18-2016, 05:51 AM	#24
Fred 16 ZL1 crystal RED Drives: ZL1 2014 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: France Posts: 128	Hellcat = straight line ZL1 = circuit + straight line __________________ WWW.AMICALECLUBCAMARO.FR $C:\Users\Fred\Pictures\ZL1 2014\IMG_2900.JPG$

03-18-2016, 06:30 AM	#25
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	Im a mopar guy at heart, but I really don't see the hellcat out performing this new ZL1. With that being said, I also believe that either car would and will be an absolute joy to drive. My local Dodge dealer has a B5 Hellcat coming supposedly. I just dont think I could do it knowing this ZL1 is coming. Now if he would have ordered white all bets would have been off. Lol. It really doesn't matter to me which car is a couple of tenths faster on the 1320. It's matters which one is the overall best one to live with every day and feels more nimple. I has an SRT8 yellow jacket and it felt like a tank.

03-18-2016, 08:38 AM	#26
Jeffro19 Drives: 2018 ZL1 6M, Silverado High Country Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,101	Here is the comparison test between the 2015 ZL1 and the 2015 Hellcat. Like someone said earlier this test showed the cars were pretty close except maybe for acceleration tests. The 2017 ZL1 will be lighter and more power. Gonna be exciting to watch them battle it out. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9WIjTBBuLp0 __________________ Previous Camaro's - 2002 Z28 6 spd manual, T tops, Sebring Silver - 2010 2SS 6 spd manual, Cyber Gray Metallic Current Vehicles - 2018 ZL1 Red Hot 6 spd manual, Carbon Hood, Sunroof 2019 Silverado High Country, Daily Driver

03-18-2016, 09:14 AM	#28
DenverTaco07 Drives: 2017 SS 1LE, 2017 Volt, 2013 Pilot Join Date: May 2014 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,274	Hellcat guys....coming in here talking about Hellcat doing 10.8 or whatever... ummm - that's after the driver has changed the STOCK tires and put on DR's. It's low 11's with stock tires - which is awesome, but let's not leave out the important details. __________________ 2017 SS 1LE \| HBM \| Vortech V3-Si supercharger (620RWHP and 575ft lbs) \| PDR \| Black Bowties \| Illuminated Front Black Bowtie \| Illuminated Door Sills \| Smoked Tails \| vented seats mod

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