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RLHMARINES · 01-03-2014, 01:05 PM

The Z/28 is, after all is said and done, our one and only all mighty true performance "Superhero" model in the Camaro family.

We all cannot be a superhero nor can we all drive a superhero's car, but we all need a superhero to look up to and aspire to be like one if only just in our dreams. I dream of ZR1's and Z/28's in the same light, if I had the means, I would definitely pickup one of each.

I need to play and WIN the lottery because I'm dreaming that dream again.LOL.

newmoon · 01-03-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST

Yeah...$75K.....no thanks. GM reached too high on this one.....the car and the price tag are epic for different reasons. I could see $60-62K, 65K tops....$75K is WAY high IMO. I get that it's purpose built and outperforming car WAY more expensive car but when you can get a 1LE with every single option under the sun for $42K....or have a base 1LE for $37,500.....that is literally LESS THAN HALF THE PRICE of a Z28 and 98% of drivers cannot even push the 1LE to it's legitimate limits......the Z28 niche market is for people who just want their d*ck to feel bigger...OR a dedicated SERIOUS weekend racer!
I'll keep my 1LE until the 6th Gen 1LE comes out thank you very MUCH

The problem I see is soon Ford will introduce the new GT350 which will more than likely meet or out-perform the Z-28. I'd be willing to bet it will not be anywhere near the 75k price tag that the Z-28 carries. Sorry GM while you hit a homerun with the ZL1 this car is overpriced by 10k-12k.

LOWDOWN · 01-03-2014, 01:10 PM

OK, some historical perspective on Gen-5 Z/28 Pricing:

The closest possible version ALMOST available was the proposed (2 prototypes built, Black with Gold stripes) '69 COPO 9567. Here's what it would have been included:

[EDIT from here - http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55107 ]

Standard options slated for production COPO 9567 ZL-1Special Camaros included:
Tuxedo Black paint with Special Gold striping
ZL-1 Street Detuned Engine
Z22 Rally Sport
M21 (M22 Optional) 4-spd manual or Heavy Duty M40 3-spd automatic transmission
J52 Power Disc Brakes - Front only
N40 Power Steering
D55 Center Console
U16 Tachometer
F41 Special Performance Suspension
ZN2 COPO 9567 Springs
G80 Positraction (4.10 ratio w/M21 or 3.55 ratio w/M40)
K85 61 Amp Generator
K66 Transistor Ignition
D80 Auxiliary Valance Panel (Rear Spoiler)
Wider Front Bumper Valance Panel (Front Spoiler)
VE3 Special Front Bumper (only Prototype “B” had this)
Racing Type Mirrors (Only Prototype “B” had these? – Can’t tell from photos. Prototype “A” did not.)
Exhaust Resonators
Tail Pipe Extensions
Special Steering Wheel
F-70-15B Nylon Blackwall w/Gold Lettered Tires
15x7 Wheels (Prototype “B” had 15x8s in the rear)
Special Hub Caps & Wheel Nuts
Wheel Trim Rings
Fender Splash Guards (Prototype cars did not have these)
Special Striping, Decals for the Hood, Grille & Rear End Panel (The grille lettering was slightly different for each of the two prototype cars – see pictures below)
Wheel Opening Mouldings Deleted (only Prototype “B” had these deleted)
Special Instrument Cluster (for Transistor Ignition)
Other Features of RPO L-78 except Fender Emblems
The COPO 9567 cars were already slated to sell for $8581.60 for the (M21) 4-spd version and $8676.60 for the (M40) 3-spd automatic version. [M22 + $100]

I believe that because there was more to the COPO 9567 ZL-1 Special Camaro than simply adding and deleting existing components (the process used for building a COPO 9560 Camaro), it required more lead-time within GM to make the car a reality. There was artwork to be done, badging to be made, and another batch of engines to produce, amongst other things. Given the reaction to pricing on the 9560 cars, the proposed price for a COPO 9567 was also too high.

Exactly how close the COPO 9567 Camaro actually came to production is unknown, but from the documentation I’ve accumulated, it’s clear that Chevrolet was more than just considering building these cars. They had done a significant amount of planning, engineering, prototyping, and pricing of them to clearly show that the car was ready to go to production.

NO 4WDB-CC/ABS/TC/StabiliTrak/Airbags/5mph bumpers/GG Tax/Crash Testing/P. Windows-Locks-Tilt-Cruise-forged alum. wheels-Radial tires etc.

CPI - 1/01/1969 to 1/01/2014 = 6.50 X $8681.60 [M22] = $56,500. 4WDB (if available w/HD 12-bolt, which they weren't) @ $500 X 6.5 = $3,250 extra, theoretically...

So, a '69 car without 4.5 DECADES of technological improvements @ $60Gs, today, MINUS a LOT!

This makes a $75,000 all-in number very respectable. Not what I personally hoped for ($65-ish before Fr/GG, so off by 10%), but very respectable.

Especially for a short production run...

jksynergy · 01-03-2014, 01:17 PM

I'm with LOWDOWN on this. Perfect post, point well taken and makes perfect sense all the way through. Nice find and good perspective.

joeybsyc · 01-03-2014, 01:27 PM

I wish you could opt out of the alleged $15,000 worth of brakes and wheels/tires. Put 1LE rolling stock and brembos on it (or even stock ss wheels/P-Zeros/brembos) to reduce the price by 15 grand and we'd all be lining up to buy one.

LOWDOWN · 01-03-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by joeybsyc

I wish you could opt out of the alleged $15,000 worth of brakes and wheels/tires. Put 1LE rolling stock and brembos on it (or even stock ss wheels/P-Zeros/brembos) and reduce the price by 15 grand and we'd all be lining up to buy one.

I hear you...but then it wouldn't be the Z/28 we're all about to experience...and, again, there are valid reasons why the car is equipped as it is...

Realist · 01-03-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by joeybsyc

I wish you could opt out of the alleged $15,000 worth of brakes and wheels/tires. Put 1LE rolling stock and brembos on it and reduce the price by 15 grand and we'd all be lining up to buy one.

Or better yet, just take a semi-loaded 1LE with Recaros, add some factory bolt-ons here and there for about 50hp or more and sell them for $49k.

After all, the 1LE truly is the Camaro offering the most Bang for the Buck, no doubt.

scottyvegas · 01-03-2014, 01:33 PM

Sweet. Im in.

DrkPhx · 01-03-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

The problem I see is soon Ford will introduce the new GT350 which will more than likely meet or out-perform the Z-28. I'd be willing to bet it will not be anywhere near the 75k price tag that the Z-28 carries. Sorry GM while you hit a homerun with the ZL1 this car is overpriced by 10k-12k.

This is my concern as well. While I don't think the GT350 price will much more affordable; I do think Ford is wringing their hands right now like Burns from the Simpsons saying "Excellent, they published the msrp of the Z/28 and now we can blow it away with the GT350, price and all." Sorry had to throw that in there.

joeybsyc · 01-03-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DrkPhx

This is my concern as well. While I don't think the GT350 price will much more affordable; I do think Ford is wringing their hands right now like Burns from the Simpsons saying "Excellent, they published the msrp of the Z/28 and now we can blow it away with the GT350, price and all." Sorry had to throw that in there.

Yep, just like they did with the $54,995 662hp/200mph GT500 shortly after the ZL1 debuted. They love taking the wind out of our sails... you can bet they'll do it again.

LOWDOWN · 01-03-2014, 01:41 PM

Folks, it's a game of Leap Frog...we build, they build, we build...

Gen-6 is not all that far off, so whatever Dearborn has planned, you can be sure the midnight oil is blazing in Warren, too...

Wait'll you hear about the Z06 @ NAIAS...and then just imagine some of that trickle-down tech on an Alpha-based Camaro...

Last I heard, Stielow 'n co. haven't retired...

LSXaddict · 01-03-2014, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

This is my concern as well. While I don't think the GT350 price will much more affordable; I do think Ford is wringing their hands right now like Burns from the Simpsons saying "Excellent, they published the msrp of the Z/28 and now we can blow it away with the GT350, price and all." Sorry had to throw that in there.

except the fact that we won't see a gt350 or cobra or any specialty mustang until 2016 and by then we will know what is coming for the 6th gen camaro

Fenderaddict2 · 01-03-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LSXaddict

except the fact that we won't see a gt350 or cobra or any specialty mustang until 2016 and by then we will know what is coming for the 6th gen camaro

You will see it this year. 2015 is also the 50th anniversary of the GT350.

hockeylover86 · 01-03-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubscamaro

In my most honest opinion, ZL1 is the best bang for your buck..not downing the Z/28 but really 85k+ out the door for it?...

X2...

Pricing is way too high for what you are getting.

C7 or ZL1 much better cars for the $$...

01-03-2014, 01:05 PM	#155
RLHMARINES 1st Civ. Div. Drives: Camaroless for now...RIP "Big SexZ" Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 2,726	The Z/28 is, after all is said and done, our one and only all mighty true performance "Superhero" model in the Camaro family. We all cannot be a superhero nor can we all drive a superhero's car, but we all need a superhero to look up to and aspire to be like one if only just in our dreams. I dream of ZR1's and Z/28's in the same light, if I had the means, I would definitely pickup one of each. I need to play and WIN the lottery because I'm dreaming that dream again.LOL. __________________ Swift....Silent....Deadly

01-03-2014, 01:10 PM	#157
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	PRICING comparo... OK, some historical perspective on Gen-5 Z/28 Pricing: The closest possible version ALMOST available was the proposed (2 prototypes built, Black with Gold stripes) '69 COPO 9567. Here's what it would have been included: [EDIT from here - http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55107 ] Standard options slated for production COPO 9567 ZL-1Special Camaros included: Tuxedo Black paint with Special Gold striping ZL-1 Street Detuned Engine Z22 Rally Sport M21 (M22 Optional) 4-spd manual or Heavy Duty M40 3-spd automatic transmission J52 Power Disc Brakes - Front only N40 Power Steering D55 Center Console U16 Tachometer F41 Special Performance Suspension ZN2 COPO 9567 Springs G80 Positraction (4.10 ratio w/M21 or 3.55 ratio w/M40) K85 61 Amp Generator K66 Transistor Ignition D80 Auxiliary Valance Panel (Rear Spoiler) Wider Front Bumper Valance Panel (Front Spoiler) VE3 Special Front Bumper (only Prototype “B” had this) Racing Type Mirrors (Only Prototype “B” had these? – Can’t tell from photos. Prototype “A” did not.) Exhaust Resonators Tail Pipe Extensions Special Steering Wheel F-70-15B Nylon Blackwall w/Gold Lettered Tires 15x7 Wheels (Prototype “B” had 15x8s in the rear) Special Hub Caps & Wheel Nuts Wheel Trim Rings Fender Splash Guards (Prototype cars did not have these) Special Striping, Decals for the Hood, Grille & Rear End Panel (The grille lettering was slightly different for each of the two prototype cars – see pictures below) Wheel Opening Mouldings Deleted (only Prototype “B” had these deleted) Special Instrument Cluster (for Transistor Ignition) Other Features of RPO L-78 except Fender Emblems *The COPO 9567 cars were already slated to sell for $8581.60 for the (M21) 4-spd version and $8676.60 for the (M40) 3-spd automatic version. [M22 + $100]* I believe that because there was more to the COPO 9567 ZL-1 Special Camaro than simply adding and deleting existing components (the process used for building a COPO 9560 Camaro), it required more lead-time within GM to make the car a reality. There was artwork to be done, badging to be made, and another batch of engines to produce, amongst other things. Given the reaction to pricing on the 9560 cars, the proposed price for a COPO 9567 was also too high. Exactly how close the COPO 9567 Camaro actually came to production is unknown, but from the documentation I’ve accumulated, it’s clear that Chevrolet was more than just considering building these cars. They had done a significant amount of planning, engineering, prototyping, and pricing of them to clearly show that the car was ready to go to production. NO 4WDB-CC/ABS/TC/StabiliTrak/Airbags/5mph bumpers/GG Tax/Crash Testing/P. Windows-Locks-Tilt-Cruise-forged alum. wheels-Radial tires etc. CPI - 1/01/1969 to 1/01/2014 = 6.50 X $8681.60 [M22] = $56,500. 4WDB (if available w/HD 12-bolt, which they weren't) @ $500 X 6.5 = $3,250 extra, theoretically... *So, a '69 car without 4.5 DECADES of technological improvements @ $60Gs, today, MINUS a LOT!* This makes a $75,000 all-in number *very respectable. Not what I personally hoped for ($65-ish before Fr/GG, so off by 10%), but very respectable. Especially* for a short production run... Attached Images Last edited by LOWDOWN; 01-03-2014 at 01:55 PM.

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joeybsyc Drives: 2010 Aqua Blue Metallic 2SS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: PA Posts: 2,010 View My Garage	I wish you could opt out of the alleged $15,000 worth of brakes and wheels/tires. Put 1LE rolling stock and brembos on it (or even stock ss wheels/P-Zeros/brembos) to reduce the price by 15 grand and we'd all be lining up to buy one. __________________

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01-03-2014, 01:41 PM	#165
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Folks, it's a game of Leap Frog...we build, they build, we build... Gen-6 is not all that far off, so whatever Dearborn has planned, you can be sure the midnight oil is blazing in Warren, too... Wait'll you hear about the Z06 @ NAIAS...and then just imagine some of that trickle-down tech on an Alpha-based Camaro... Last I heard, Stielow 'n co. haven't retired...