02-14-2018, 08:33 PM | #113 |
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02-14-2018, 08:40 PM | #114 | |
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And literally every manufacturer had an example on the floor where the aluminum was at least corroded lightly on the surface. BMW, Jag, Ford, Kia, Honda, etc....at least one car from each manufacturer had one part that was like this. Some worse than others. Many of the FWD cars there even had ORANGE (not dark red), but bright-ORANGE rusted exhaust manifolds. I've got some pictures, if you want. I am usually very middle-of-the-road on these things, mindful of folks' differing opinions...but I'm sorry; after walking around that show, I'm convinced you guys are making an issue out of nothing with this one...this is not a design flaw...it's raw, unfinished aluminum. You may not like it, but it's what it does. |
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02-14-2018, 09:20 PM | #115 |
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Traveling show cars are not new cars
my car has now been built and sitting in a parking lot for 3 weeks. If they cant deliver them in a timely manner they shouldn't build them. I sent an email to Customer service and got a response back. I ordered my car and the dealer did not have an allocation yet but was getting one and they told me you wont see this car until may (which still may be true due to GM's lack of being able to ship in a timely manner). The response from the Rep was you are lucky we did you a favor and pulled a non allocated sold order in to fill production slots. I responded you did me no such favor as now my car is built and sitting outside in bad weather and you can't even ship it in a timely manner. Furthermore it will now take a salt bath being shipped and I had to jump through hoops financially due to it being sooner than expected (fortunately I can). Works for GM not me. I have never had a new car purchase go smoothly through GM period. Its not the dealers fault its GM's Failure. I told them if the car comes in with oxidation I will refuse it and move on. At this point the joy of buying a new car bubble has deflated. I am already disgusted with the car and it hasn't even shipped yet. He did say to work with the dealer and be present when it arrives and have the dealer reject it if there are issues I plan to do so if there are issues.
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02-14-2018, 09:23 PM | #116 | |
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I respectfully disagree with the "it's what it does" comment. If this were true, all cars would do it. It's what it can do when exposed to the elements, but not necessarily what it does automatically. I'd give any manufacturer a pass on light oxidation, but when there's pitting on a brand new car that's where I have to draw the line. As long as there are cars available without heavy oxidation, that's where I'll be spending my money. Of course, we've been back and forth on this before. We'll probably always have different opinions and that's okay.
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02-14-2018, 10:00 PM | #117 | |
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02-14-2018, 10:06 PM | #118 | |
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Aluminum Corrodes Only when EXPOSED TO A CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENT. I've worked on Marine Engines that are used in Salt Water that DO NOT HAVE THE CORROSION DEMONSTRATED ON NEW DELIVERED GEN6 CARS because THE MARINE ENGINES USE THE CORRECT FINISHES. GM IS BEING CHEAP...PERIOD! |
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02-14-2018, 10:24 PM | #119 | ||
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I also work in the marine Industry; I've had my master-level merchant mariner credential for over 6 years, now...Been sailing ships with tiny diesels, turbo-Fiat cats, Mercury outboards, etc...at the helm, in the engine room and/or bilges...the marine world is a totally different animal, and equipment is far better maintained for obvious reasons. You can't expect a car manufacturer to build a car like a boat. Depending on the purity of aluminum, it will patina and corrode readily when exposed to nothing more than moisture and the air itself. A "corrosive environment" is not required. This is not aircraft-grade 6061 we're talking about. That'd be ridiculous. Perhaps GM could look at the alloys they use? But then, like I said - so would everyone else...this is not a "GM" issue. And it's not that I don't care about substandard parts. Please don't put words in my mouth...I just don't find an issue with a patina on the finish on a non-aesthetic part when it doesn't affect the structure or function at all. Pitting? Flaking? Yes...that's not right. But 90% of what people are bringing up in here is not that. And furthermore, I realize that this oxide will occur in time no matter what you do. So while I get the "I want it shiny and new" argument...it's either now or later - and these cars are so damn fun to drive, I just don't feel like waiting! |
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02-15-2018, 10:59 PM | #120 |
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Its also VERY interesting that GM Customer Care has responded to other posts on this Forum BUT IGNORES MR. LAMBERT and this post.
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02-17-2018, 03:17 PM | #121 | |
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winner winner chicken dinner you are so right corrosion is BS on a new car been happening for 2 decades or more stig eh |
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02-19-2018, 07:56 AM | #122 |
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Chemistry 101.
Aluminium corrosion resistance is very good in untreated aluminium. Untreated aluminium has very good corrosion resistance in most environments. This is primarily because aluminium spontaneously forms a thin but effective oxide layer that prevents further oxidation. Aluminium oxide is impermeable and, unlike the oxide layers on many other metals, it adheres strongly to the parent metal. If damaged mechanically, aluminium’s oxide layer repairs itself immediately. This oxide layer is one of the main reasons for aluminium’s good corrosion properties. The layer is stable in the general pH range 4 – 9. |
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