[Number 3]

Just to show GM is responding to customer demand not the government.

This was a likely outcome if EV adoption rate was slower than anticipated and it is.

Still maintaining the 2035 target.

But a major course correction. No timeframe for the first vehicle, but likely a couple of years would be my guess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...2ce67baa&ei=99

[Evergreen6]

It won't change minds, but it is what's happening in reality.

Even the Bolt outsold the Camaro in 2023.

GM explored hybrids (not plug in, IIRC) a while back in the mid-oughts with a Tahoe and Silverado. They didn't do well because of cost and other factors, one being it was pretty early in the game for a light truck to have hybrid tech.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Just to show GM is responding to customer demand not the government.

This was a likely outcome if EV adoption rate was slower than anticipated and it is.

Still maintaining the 2035 target.

But a major course correction. No timeframe for the first vehicle, but likely a couple of years would be my guess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...2ce67baa&ei=99

This is what they should have been doing from the word GO. There were plenty of viable options that could have improved fuel economy and given the general public time to improve the electric grid, adopt alternative energy sources, etc....

For example, CNG vehicles would still infinitely be a better choice for the next 20 years compared to EV... and there's really a market there for performance vehicles too...

Instead, they wanted to focus on trying to force feed something most people don't want, most people can't afford, and most of all, the vast majority of the world can't support fully..

[gpskinzhut]

I'd entertain a high-performance hybrid V8 Z Camaro, in a similar footprint to the E-Ray. Harder acceleration, maybe some fuel efficiency along the way, still have that V8 grunt and growl? Signing up for at least a test drive if it doesn't look like total ass.

[Evergreen6]

It's hard to ignore stats like the Jeep Wrangler 4xe is now the best-selling hybrid in America. GM would be/have been wise to chase that segment.

[ItsChristianInHD]

Even Mr. Reuss chimed in.

I’m not against the idea of a hybrid camaro like an ERay. Full EV, I’m totally against for a sports car.

Toyota is probably in the sky seats saying “we told you so”.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by ItsChristianInHD

Even Mr. Reuss chimed in.

I’m not against the idea of a hybrid camaro like an ERay. Full EV, I’m totally against for a sports car.

Toyota is probably in the sky seats saying “we told you so”.

Even offering a fully electric model as an option would still have been a better choice than dropping the model all together. Think of it as the 4 cylinder option or the hybrid model.

While I'm not in the market for an EV, I'm sure many would have opted for a Mustang/Camaro EV in a heart beat....

Again, include it as a model option instead of just going 1000000% into EV only..

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

This is what they should have been doing from the word GO. There were plenty of viable options that could have improved fuel economy and given the general public time to improve the electric grid, adopt alternative energy sources, etc....

For example, CNG vehicles would still infinitely be a better choice for the next 20 years compared to EV... and there's really a market there for performance vehicles too...

Instead, they wanted to focus on trying to force feed something most people don't want, most people can't afford, and most of all, the vast majority of the world can't support fully..

It's still not clear where this "force fed" stuff is coming from.

GM, to it's credit, has not replaced a single vehicle with an EV. EVERY EV has been a plus model and a free choice for the customer. They are building Blazer AND Blazer EV at the same time, Silverado and Sierra same. Equinox as well. GMC Hummer? Plus model. Lyriq? Plus model. So no one is being force fed anything. Now down the road if and when GM goes 100% EV, maybe a different discussion. Just not today. But by then EVs will likely be far better in all regards, cost, range and charge time will be much improved and being anti EV at that point will be like being anti iPhone.

CNG had it's shot too. Honda and GM (Civic and Impala) built them and many trucking fleets still use CNG. It just never caught on. And again, no infrastructure for CNG. Time to fuel might an advantage over an EV right now. But it would be a cleaner fuel.

[ItsChristianInHD]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Even offering a fully electric model as an option would still have been a better choice than dropping the model all together. Think of it as the 4 cylinder option or the hybrid model.

While I'm not in the market for an EV, I'm sure many would have opted for a Mustang/Camaro EV in a heart beat....

Again, include it as a model option instead of just going 1000000% into EV only..

For sure, let customers have choices. Thankfully it looks like GM, Ford. Etc are understanding.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ItsChristianInHD

Even Mr. Reuss chimed in.

I’m not against the idea of a hybrid camaro like an ERay. Full EV, I’m totally against for a sports car.

Toyota is probably in the sky seats saying “we told you so”.

Toyota is going pretty much all in on EVs as well. Lexus has 3 and Toyota 1 EVs in production. More on the way and they have been more public on solid state battery development.

[Mark114]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Just to show GM is responding to customer demand not the government.

This was a likely outcome if EV adoption rate was slower than anticipated and it is.

Still maintaining the 2035 target.

But a major course correction. No timeframe for the first vehicle, but likely a couple of years would be my guess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...2ce67baa&ei=99

PHEV meets the requirements for CA in 2035. An added bonus.

“California is only requiring that all NEW cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and fuel cell electric vehicles.”

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/doc...ked-questions#

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

For example, CNG vehicles would still infinitely be a better choice for the next 20 years compared to EV... and there's really a market there for performance vehicles too...

This is ridiculous, EVs don't care what the power source is, hydroelectric, wind, solar, nuclear, coal, natural gas, etc. That's the part that makes them so viable, so flexible, as the grid keeps getting upgraded and peak charging is during the "off time", so to speak. 100% solution? Of course not, but for a vast majority of drivers, it makes a lot more sense...than CNG, lol.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Mark114

PHEV meets the requirements for CA in 2035. An added bonus.

“California is only requiring that all NEW cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and fuel cell electric vehicles.”

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/doc...ked-questions#

Sounds like CA is starting to fudge the issue. PHEV's are certainly low emission vehicles but are equally certainly not zero emissions vehicles. Reality may be slowly starting to sink in.

[KMPrenger]

maybe this will change some minds

Maybe it will change some minds that GM is not going to offer the customers the options we want....so I agree with you there.

But in my mind it just feels like spectacular validation to what I've been saying for a long time now....Hybrids are the answer!!! ...more specifically...plug in hybrids. At least, until we come up with a viable solution for all the issues that plague current EVs. If we want the fastest way to reduce emissions now, hybrid is the answer.

The full EV huggers will say "But it doesn't eliminate tail pipe emissions, it doesn't go far enough" Well how much further than eliminating tail pipe emissions by somewhere between 75 to 90 percent of regular driving do we need to go? Most people will be able get to and from work/stores/errands without using much if any gas. Goodbye range anxiety. Goodbye huge heavy expensive batteries. Goodbye to the huge use of limited rare earth materials for one single large battery. Goodbye to the urgency to spend billions of dollars expanding charging stations across America as fast as possible.

If GM had committed to vastly widening their Voltec platform to their other cars and small/mid SUVs instead of killing it altogether, they'd be in a better place today and they could call themselves the most "green" car company in existence. I'm pretty much convinced if the Volt wasn't a small sedan, but rather a modern small/mid-size SUV thing it would have sold well.

Voltec like platform in a nice looking CUV the size of an Equinox = printing money.