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IcedBee · 07-13-2017, 12:25 AM

Hy
I am thinking of trading my ss for a ZL1.
My biggest question is if i should get an auto or manual.

My ss is manual and all my former cars were too. I really like manual shifting but i am not really happy with the shifting in my ss. The driveline is very "clunky" due to too much play ind the whole driveline. I am used to bmw's and there the driveline feels like one piece, no clunk, no noise etc.

What about the zl1 trans: is it comparable to the ss in regards to "clunk", play in the driveline etc. or is it completely different/better?

Sure i will also try to test a manual zl1 but if you tell me that the trans is more or less similar then i will for sure get the auto

Cheers from Switzerland

acammer · 07-13-2017, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcedBee

Hy
I am thinking of trading my ss for a ZL1.
My biggest question is if i should get an auto or manual.

My ss is manual and all my former cars were too. I really like manual shifting but i am not really happy with the shifting in my ss. The driveline is very "clunky" due to too much play ind the whole driveline. I am used to bmw's and there the driveline feels like one piece, no clunk, no noise etc.

What about the zl1 trans: is it comparable to the ss in regards to "clunk", play in the driveline etc. or is it completely different/better?

Sure i will also try to test a manual zl1 but if you tell me that the trans is more or less similar then i will for sure get the auto

Cheers from Switzerland

I do think the ZL1 has a stiffer feel than the SS with regard to driveline slop. With that said, either car would benefit from solid bushings in the differential and rear sub-frame.

Crash76 · 07-13-2017, 01:33 AM

I wouldnt do diff busings, lots of reports of added noise/vibrations from that, solid subframe bushings are good to go... very little if any increase in noise/vibrations

IcedBee · 07-13-2017, 02:19 AM

afaik in the SS this "clunk" is more due to the mechanical play in the trans, shaft and diff.

e.g. if you roll slow and push the clutch, it makes a clunk noise, also the 2nd gear often does not go in well but thats more due to weak syncros.

STUNNAH · 07-13-2017, 03:34 AM

Your question is kind of irrelevant at this point because you didn't tell us if you're looking at upgrading to a 5th or 6th Gen...If 5th I would say manual, if 6th I would say automatic...No intent of being a smartass...

PJMZL1 · 07-13-2017, 04:39 AM

The Z is solid. Love my manual.

IcedBee · 07-13-2017, 05:51 AM

Sorry, 5th gen is meant

SlingShot · 07-13-2017, 07:46 AM

IMO the clunks and noises is the way American cars are. As far as the ZL1 though, you won't break it that's for sure.

acammer · 07-13-2017, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash76

I wouldnt do diff busings, lots of reports of added noise/vibrations from that, solid subframe bushings are good to go... very little if any increase in noise/vibrations

I did diff bushings with my 4.10 rear. I did gain some noise out of the rear, you can hear the LSD working at low speeds, and there are a few spots where you can pick up gear whine. But it definitely firms things up quite a bit. I still need to do my cradle - you can feel how soft they are if you pull the e-brake on firmly while at a slow (ie. 2-4mph) roll. Mine will actually rock back and forth on them a few times as it settles. 24k on the car, so they aren't old and destroyed either - just the way the factory wanted them.

Genzl1rev · 07-13-2017, 09:01 AM

Get the M6. You won't regret it.
I let a friend take mine out that used to have 2002 ss vert manual.
He let me drive it way back then so I let him have a turn at mine.

Just to let you know, I don't drive my car hard

, but the look on this guys face...

was classic.

He speed shifted it and I didn't even look at the speedo.

I need to go to a shifting class or something.

I'm still thinking about the hurst shorty, but the stock one is still good.

good luck.

lbls1 · 07-13-2017, 10:25 AM

M6 for a ZL1.

IcedBee · 07-13-2017, 11:06 AM

Thanks for the replies. Think i will just try to test drive a manual. But i am still quite interested in getting an auto with the pedals but if the manual is much better than in the ss then i think thats my choice.

STUNNAH · 07-14-2017, 12:46 AM

5th Gen M more HP, 6th Gen A just plain sick...

camguynj · 01-30-2024, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acammer

I do think the ZL1 has a stiffer feel than the SS with regard to driveline slop. With that said, either car would benefit from solid bushings in the differential and rear sub-frame.

Hey Andrew, What are your thoughts on the below product to help reduce slop in the DS?

https://www.jxbperformance.com/produ...arrier-upgrade

07-13-2017, 12:25 AM	#1
IcedBee Drives: 2013 Europe Summit White Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Switzerland Posts: 49	ZL1 manual driveline Hy I am thinking of trading my ss for a ZL1. My biggest question is if i should get an auto or manual. My ss is manual and all my former cars were too. I really like manual shifting but i am not really happy with the shifting in my ss. The driveline is very "clunky" due to too much play ind the whole driveline. I am used to bmw's and there the driveline feels like one piece, no clunk, no noise etc. What about the zl1 trans: is it comparable to the ss in regards to "clunk", play in the driveline etc. or is it completely different/better? Sure i will also try to test a manual zl1 but if you tell me that the trans is more or less similar then i will for sure get the auto Cheers from Switzerland

07-13-2017, 03:34 AM	#5
STUNNAH "BEASTM*DE" Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,655 View My Garage	Your question is kind of irrelevant at this point because you didn't tell us if you're looking at upgrading to a 5th or 6th Gen...If 5th I would say manual, if 6th I would say automatic...No intent of being a smartass... __________________ Vengeance Racing Stage 1 Kit 575rwhp, 569 rwtq... Rims powder coated gloss black...BFG'S Comp 2 A/S... Dual 10" Kicker Comp S Subs 1200w...

07-13-2017, 04:39 AM	#6
PJMZL1 Drives: 2015 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Alberta Posts: 274	The Z is solid. Love my manual. __________________ 2015 ZL1 M6

07-13-2017, 07:46 AM	#8
SlingShot Drives: 2012 ZL1 - #670 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Seminole, Fl. Posts: 8,009	IMO the clunks and noises is the way American cars are. As far as the ZL1 though, you won't break it that's for sure. __________________

07-13-2017, 09:01 AM	#10
Genzl1rev Drives: 2014 ZL1 RED HOT Join Date: May 2016 Location: Socal Posts: 136 View My Garage	Get the M6. You won't regret it. I let a friend take mine out that used to have 2002 ss vert manual. He let me drive it way back then so I let him have a turn at mine. Just to let you know, I don't drive my car hard, but the look on this guys face... was classic. He speed shifted it and I didn't even look at the speedo. I need to go to a shifting class or something. I'm still thinking about the hurst shorty, but the stock one is still good. good luck. __________________ Out of the Barn: 1984 Dodge Shelby Charger H.O. >1985 Dodge Shelby Charger Turbo > 1991 Pontiac Grand Prix 3.4 24V 6M 2004 Mazda RX8 6M Touring >2008 Volvo S80 T5 AWD 2006 Volvo R60 AWD>2010 Acura ZDX Black (the Batmobile) 2Wheels:Kawi Eliminator>Honda CB1

07-13-2017, 01:33 AM	#3
Crash76 Team 913 Drives: '14 ZL1, '15 Jeep GC, ‘22 Ram 2500 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA, Central CA Posts: 1,119	I wouldnt do diff busings, lots of reports of added noise/vibrations from that, solid subframe bushings are good to go... very little if any increase in noise/vibrations

07-13-2017, 02:19 AM	#4
IcedBee Drives: 2013 Europe Summit White Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Switzerland Posts: 49	afaik in the SS this "clunk" is more due to the mechanical play in the trans, shaft and diff. e.g. if you roll slow and push the clutch, it makes a clunk noise, also the 2nd gear often does not go in well but thats more due to weak syncros.

07-13-2017, 05:51 AM	#7
IcedBee Drives: 2013 Europe Summit White Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Switzerland Posts: 49	Sorry, 5th gen is meant

07-13-2017, 10:25 AM	#11
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,022	M6 for a ZL1. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic*

07-13-2017, 11:06 AM	#12
IcedBee Drives: 2013 Europe Summit White Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Switzerland Posts: 49	Thanks for the replies. Think i will just try to test drive a manual. But i am still quite interested in getting an auto with the pedals but if the manual is much better than in the ss then i think thats my choice.

07-14-2017, 12:46 AM	#13
STUNNAH "BEASTM*DE" Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,655 View My Garage	5th Gen M more HP, 6th Gen A just plain sick... __________________ Vengeance Racing Stage 1 Kit 575rwhp, 569 rwtq... Rims powder coated gloss black...BFG'S Comp 2 A/S... Dual 10" Kicker Comp S Subs 1200w...