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It sounds like people would be happy with a 330 hp V8 with a single exhaust out behind the back tire . I don't get , Why go backwards .
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From what I've seen, though, most folks who actually put their money where their mouth is want more than "old, cheaper technology."
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02-25-2018, 04:50 AM | #690 |
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so a V8 with 330 horsepower is better than a 6 with 323(even in the 5th gen)?i dont understand how a V8 with less horsepower would be a hot seller...
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if they are debating bringing out the refresh, maybe it is as simple as does their current market research indicate that the cost of change likely results in the increase in sales that they are hoping for. ie it could be that there is now a question in regards to what can really be addressed in a refresh and they don't feel it will really move the needle for them
there is no question the performance of the 6th gen is incredible so practically that isn't holding it back at least for me, i believe they need to have something that is a more radical change as i just don't personally care for the high belt line for example and more closed interior versus what i like. Everyone likes different things, if the issue was performance that actually would probably be welcomed as it would be easier to address. i think this has more to do with just needing something that is a more substantive styling change and different compared to what has been a good run of gen 5 and 6, but maybe running out of new buyers.
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GM may have a new buyer as my GT mods are getting my dander up. I could not believe an Asst. Mgr. at a major Dealer body shop did not know what a nut rivet gun was??
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We are so fortunate that we can buy cars with this level of performance at this price. If the cost of new is a barrier, buy a one or two year old car. Building a shitty performing version would be a mistake.
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I would not be surprised to see an Annual with mild front fascia changes, a new interior feature or two and revised taillamps. Based on the EPA stuff that someone else has found and posted, it looks like the 10AT is gonna happen. You don't make that kind of change and cancel the simple stuff.
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02-25-2018, 09:26 AM | #696 |
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Maybe chevy needs to bring back the old 5.7 H.O. , that would fit the bill for a lot of drivers that want a V8 , and a nice 20 year step backwards to keep the Retro people happy also.
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02-25-2018, 09:30 AM | #697 |
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Don't hold your breath. Engineering, manufacturing, and validating new engines with different bore and/or stroke from the high volume runners is mega-expensive. The bulk of the $$ are going to be pointed towards fuel economy techs (Dynamic Fuel Management in the pickups and utilities, mild hybrid systems) and ADAS / Autonomous techs.
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Besides, if GM is going to spend money on a low volume engine (5.7L) for a low volume car (Camaro) it better be HUGELY profitable and it won't be. For the most part the manufacturing and material cost for a 5.7L would be the same as a 6.2L but you want it in a lower cost version of the Camaro? Nope. Maybe the truck version of the 5.3L because it exists but even that would still require a significant effort for development.
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I've been saying 5.3 forever lol..all the tuner speed guys I know love the 5.3 cost mods etc which has nothing to do with placing it in the new Camaro ..but its obvious something must change increase sales and profits..great thread !
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To be fair, there is some low hanging fruit that tuners can use that GM calibraters can't take advantage of due to EPA requirements and/or long term durability concerns.
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