[Rock36]

Originally Posted by Juiced1

There have been plenty of bone stock LS3 Vettes hitting high 11s so this doesn't surprise me much (ideal temps and track). The next gen Camaro with the same engine should be pretty fast. If they end up on the ATS platform and can keep the weight under 3500 it should be in the mid 12s all day with some guys diving into the low 12s and I'm sure there will be a freak or two to pop off an 11.99.

The 2002-2004 C5 Z06 also could run 11s in the hands of a skilled driver and some good DA.

Not too many drivers can pull 1.7 60' on a bone stock car like the guy with the C7 did. That is is definitely some good driving.

[VADER SS L99]

The new 6th gen needs to pull at least high 11's hero runs and mid 12's as average runs to be a success IMO. You have to hope it will gain 30HP and be at least 200lbs lighter so it better be a half second quicker. I really think the car will get smoked by the Mustang in a straight line if its not running high 11's for perfect conditions to mid 12's for average conditions. Even high 11's may not get the job done if the Mustang loses 200lbs and gains 30HP.

[Cody6.2]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

The new 6th gen needs to pull at least high 11's hero runs and mid 12's as average runs to be a success IMO. You have to hope it will gain 30HP and be at least 200lbs lighter so it better be a half second quicker. I really think the car will get smoked by the Mustang in a straight line if its not running high 11's for perfect conditions to mid 12's for average conditions. Even high 11's may not get the job done if the Mustang loses 200lbs and gains 30HP.

Some of you are trying to figure out way too much with so little actual input.

Use the LS3 Corvette vs LS3 Camaro vs LS3 G8 GXP for example. Compare what the 3300lb Corvette runs vs the 3800lb Camaro as it's almost a complete second difference. But then compare the Camaro to the G8 and it skews the entire "what it should run" ideal.

In short even if the LT1 has no horsepower difference C7 to Camaro 6 it can still be nutted with a lame tune or loads of TM/TR. Therefore you can't even guesstimate as it's impossible to factor in an unknown variable.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Cody6.2

Some of you are trying to figure out way too much with so little actual input.

Use the LS3 Corvette vs LS3 Camaro vs LS3 G8 GXP for example. Compare what the 3300lb Corvette runs vs the 3800lb Camaro as it's almost a complete second difference. But then compare the Camaro to the G8 and it skews the entire "what it should run" ideal.

In short even if the LT1 has no horsepower difference C7 to Camaro 6 it can still be nutted with a lame tune or loads of TM/TR. Therefore you can't even guesstimate as it's impossible to factor in an unknown variable.

Not sure what you mean because a narrow body LS3 Vette is 3250lbs with 436HP vs a 5th gen LS3 at 3850lbs and 426HP. Its more like a .7 second and 7mph difference so the math works out pretty good.

[Smirnoff]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

So after seeing a bone stock auto c7 run 11.6's at 3400+lbs without driver what do you think the next camaro will run if it gets the same engine? Low 12's mid to high 12's being the norm?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to get into the 11's.......

[grocerygetter]

yeah...I've seen quite a few stock or stock plus DR's c7s posting mid to high 11s now.

[midnighter]

12.5s

[sasquash1984]

[ULTRAZLS1]

The vette guys are expecting mid to low 11 hero times out of the car in the future.

The DA was 500, the car could have had less gas in it, the driver was 230 lbs and the car will gain a bit of power with some more miles on it.

[newagemuscle]

Originally Posted by sasquash1984

That's crazy... Now I really want to sell my car and get a c7. So basically it looks like our 5th gens will need a blower to keep up with these c7's with a tune.

[KMPrenger]

Damn...these things just keep impressing me more and more. 11.67 bone stock and now 11.4 with a tune. LT headers and tires and your looking at easy low 11s or high 10s.

The damn car is a Mustang GT500 eater with minimal mods. Amazing!

[sasquash1984]

Shoot get an auto c7 with cams, stall, tune, and drag tires mid 10's

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

So after seeing a bone stock auto c7 run 11.6's at 3400+lbs without driver what do you think the next camaro will run if it gets the same engine? Low 12's mid to high 12's being the norm?

All depends on weight, of course.

If we're lucky, and the car on the Alpha platform - with a V8 - weighs only 3500-3600 lbs...it could be very very close!

I think a 3600 lb LT-1 powered Camaro is probable, if not likely....but I've got nothing concrete to prove that, besides educated guesses based on past engineering techniques...

They say...in that weight range...every 100 lbs is worth a tenth...



Should we talk about tires, too?

[Seer]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I seriously doubt the Mustang is going to lose that much weight. The new car apparently rides on the same 107 wheelbase as the current car, but the changes in sheetmetal and what not make the smaller and probably help to shave some weight a long with advancements in the chassis. The independent suspension likely doesn't help in shaving weight either.

In the end, if the V8 Mustang weighs much under 3,400 if it even gets under that I'll be pretty impressed. It would have to weigh around 3,200 lbs if it lost 400 lbs.

New Mustang is riding on a new chassis. It will lose 350-400lbs, thats a given.