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Old 06-24-2014, 02:49 PM   #155
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I hope the v6 Camaro will be faster than the turbo 4 mustang.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:53 PM   #156
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I'm not sure it's 'the reason' or not. GM has been moving 4-bangers into a lot of cars, up and down its lineup from Impalas to Cadillacs to pickups. I don't think that the existence of the ecoboost Mustang was necessary for GM to make this decision.

With that said, there's not a doubt in my mind that a turbo-4 Camaro will be constantly compared to the ecoboost Mustang. It matters little if the 4-cyl Mustang is a 'mid-range' trim and the 4-cyl Camaro is a 'base' car. It'll be a no-brainer for ALL of the auto rags to do face-off comparison tests/articles for the two turbo-4 pony cars.
I'm not sure they would put a Turbo 4 in just because Ford did so, either. They didn't put a turbo 6 in their trucks to face off with the F-150.

We have to remember that Barra, before becoming head honcho, that GM engineering was going to reduce the number of platforms from 30 to 17 and then number engine architectures from 15 to 10 by 2018. That combined with their modular approach to smaller engines necessitates fewer engines to choose from doesn't it?
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:25 PM   #157
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Just go the Mazda route and put a rotary
The Wankel is a very clever piece of dung.

Not all ideas are feasible.

Emissions issues, poor fuel economy, oil consumption, and short Time Between Overhaul all conspired to keep the rotary as an odd curiosity.

Did you know Suzuki made a Wankel motorcycle back in the old days?

It should come to no surprise that the last Wankel for automotive use was made in 2012. In Hiroshima, Japan, of course!
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:54 PM   #158
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I think Fred flinstone had the original four banger in his vehicle
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:55 PM   #159
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Actually Fred had 8.

4 toes x 2 feet. Hanna-Barbera could not count to 10.
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Old 06-24-2014, 04:52 PM   #161
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As always, subject to change and complete speculation until GM confirms.

From GMI:

2.0L Turbocharged I-4
3.6L LGX V6
6.2L LT1 V8
6.2L Supercharged LT4 V8

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...ine-up-170233/
If true the I suspect the V6 is going up against Ford's 2.3 turbo. Unless the LGX is significantly more than 323hp, the camaro might be at a disadvantage compared to the mustang with mainstream models. It would need like 350hp if it's N.A.
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Old 06-24-2014, 05:59 PM   #162
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If true the I suspect the V6 is going up against Ford's 2.3 turbo. Unless the LGX is significantly more than 323hp, the camaro might be at a disadvantage compared to the mustang with mainstream models. It would need like 350hp if it's N.A.
Agreed. The 305HP turbo Ford engine will act like at LEAST 340hp of NA power.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:46 PM   #163
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Agreed. The 305HP turbo Ford engine will act like at LEAST 340hp of NA power.
Actually I bet the 2.3 turbo is going to make significantly more HP than 305, atleast 330hp and probaly 300lbs of torque minimum.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:26 PM   #164
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Actually I bet the 2.3 turbo is going to make significantly more HP than 305, atleast 330hp and probaly 300lbs of torque minimum.
If that's true, it really makes me wish GM had developed a 2.5L turbo, that way they could match or exceed Ford's 2.3 without worrying about warranty coverage...then again that kind of output from a blown four makes a NA V6 completely superfluous.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:49 PM   #165
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Hey, now the v6 guys will be able to tell the 4 bangers, "should've got a v6."
.....maybe....maybe not.

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If that's true, it really makes me wish GM had developed a 2.5L turbo, that way they could match or exceed Ford's 2.3 without worrying about warranty coverage...then again that kind of output from a blown four makes a NA V6 completely superfluous.
Unless Ford gives the 2.3 in the Mustang a larger turbo which will push the peak HP past the peak TQ...I suspect it will make more torque than HP due to the small turbo which makes peak TQ early in the powerband. The 2.3 ecoboost's first application is in the new 2015 Lincoln MKC, where it is rated at 285HP and 305lb of torque. Ford is saying the Mustang will make at least 305...so I figure it will be somewhere around 310 HP and 330lb TQ.

So no matter which way you slice it, GMs new LFX V6 will be at a Torque disadvantage....especially down in the lower rpms. That said...I'm going to bet the LFX will be good for at least 330 HP.

According to the reported "official" Ford specs quoted on the Mustang sites, the new Ecoboost weighs in at over 3,640lbs (3,660 if automatic) . That's no light weight. The new Camaro V6 has a real chance of coming in at around 100 lbs lighter than that, which will help its torque deficit, and if it does end up with a peak HP advantage, the Camaro V6 should be faster on the top end than the Mustang Ecoboost. It just might be playing catch up early on (in say a 1/4 mile drag) , but again, with a weight advantage, it would make the matchup very interesting.

If the Camaro has an 8speed auto, and the Mustang runs a 6....that's another advantage for Camaro.
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:32 PM   #166
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I call BS on the I-4 (LTG Ecotec?) -- I cannot imagine many buying any -- what is this now, a Cobalt Camaro?! Why would GM drop from 323 HP to 272 HP (based one the ATS offering: http://www.cadillac.com/ats-luxury-sport-sedan.html ) for a base model, thereby downgrading it?!

Instead would imagine we will see the twin-turbo V6 make its debut on the Camaro, ala Cadillac ATS Vsport, along with a lower power V6... The two DI LT-engines are obvious choices...

Of course there's always that Elmiraj twin-turbo V8 lurking in the wings: "4.5-liter twin turbocharged V8 delivering an estimated 500 hp. The engine takes the baseline technology from the Cadillac Twin Turbo V6 and expands it to the classic performance format of a V8 engine."



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Old 06-25-2014, 05:45 AM   #168
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Camaros are like punk bands: awesome at the beginning, starting to sell off a little, then going complete mainstream.

Look A fire Inside, insane punk band at the beginning, then turned emo, then is now a mainstream teenager band.

So does the Camaro ... Happy I have a 2013
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