06-14-2015, 10:28 AM | #1 |
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Brakes??
The 5thGens weak point was brakes as the car was very heavy.
(Unless you drive slowly) I was very happy to hear the car is lighter as it certainly will help performance and braking. Then I read that the brakes are (still 4 piston) 2 inches smaller? It will also look puny within the 20 inch wheels. The 5th gen was the first car I've ever heard off where the rear rotors (14.5") were bigger than the fronts (14") I hope the brakes can handle track duty. I'd hate to dish out 4 G for a sixpiston upgrade. Also has anybody confirmed bolt pattern is 115mm or 120? I'd like to use my existing spare wheel sets. Other than that, can't wait to get my 2016.
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06-14-2015, 02:07 PM | #2 |
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Brembo brakes are standard on the SS and available on the LT for both engines, I believe.
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Sounds like you've been listening to thePill a bit to closely on the other Mustang site...all he is doing is trolling about how the brakes on the 2016 SS are way to small for the job, but we all know that won't be the case, and that there will be optional brakes on the track setups anyways. Whats the point? The point is that for 90% of owners, the stock Brembos will perform perfectly, and for the other owners that want a brake setup for the track, they will have that option....not that the standard Brembos on the SS may not do OK in their own right. You have to remember, the car will be 200 - 250 pounds lighter in base form, with less rotating mass as compared to the 5th gen Camaro. I wouldn't worry. As for your question on bolt pattern, I believe it has been confirmed that the bolt pattern is the same.
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Ok it's not just me then. I never heard brakes being a weak area in the 5th gen. Maybe on the 4th gen. I know my '99 was terrible with brake fade and warping rotors.
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What it seems to me is that GM actually did some serious engineering study and found that they didn't need such large rotors to get the same results in their braking tests. Smaller rotors reduce weight, which in turn helps braking, and it becomes part of the larger equation that the 6th gen Camaro is lighter and will perform better than it's 5th gen counterpart.
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Going from 14" fronts to 13.6" fronts is minimal considering the weight loss. The 14.5" rears to 13.3 rears is a little more, but still should be great with less weight.
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GM has also said that the SS will track capable off the bat. Their stated definition was that you should be able to run a whole tank of gas around the track without any performance issues. I would assume that means brake fade, as well as heat soak and overheating (engine, trans, or rear).
I noticed in the play book that the front lower grill has ducts that direct air to cool the brakes on the SS. I am wondering if using three radiators not only provides more engine cooling, it allows for more room for the ducts? And as others said, if the Gen5 is any indication, the brakes will be great. |
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Which is why I was somewhat surprised that the SS is getting 20's. Going down an inch or two would save some unsprung weight & even more importantly, reduce the rotating mass.
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Even with the factory weight reductions, there is still plenty left for the track that can be done by the owner...lighterweight tires and wheels, even lighter weight rotors and hats, lighter battery, rear seat delete, etc...
It will be interesting to see how much, if not all, of the goodies an SS can get, such as brake ducts, composite and other lightweight suspension parts, etc., from the factory...If the new 6thGen SS can out perform the current 5th gen 1LE, a sixth gen 1LE should be a real monster.... How they divvy up the track goodies, or what they have in store that we haven't seen yet for a 1LE, should be very interesting... |
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I was wondering if they would go with a 19" wheel option on the SS. The overall tire diameter is smaller though. It's a lower profile tire than the PZeros with the 20" wheels on the 5thGen. That, combined with the smaller rotors will help reduce unsprung and rotational mass. That's going to make a significant difference in the nimbleness of the car.
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It sounds like GM is backing up it's claim that the SS will be a trackable car from the get go. Three radiators, transmission cooler, brake cooling ducts. I think I also saw a picture of the new LT1 engine with ports for oil cooing as well, but I can't remember where. |
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