07-05-2013, 11:11 AM | #113 |
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You'll have to look earlier in the thread, that was answered. It's because of the structure of the 5th Gens. Who knows if GM will ever recreate a t-top or just a removable roof like the Corvette. I think it has the potential to be amazing nonetheless.
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07-05-2013, 11:43 AM | #114 |
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I would rather have the removable top like the Vette, But it will never happen..
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07-05-2013, 11:46 AM | #115 |
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Ok, posted many times before because simply............T-tops are loved by a lot of F-body fans.
First of all, for roof crush, FMVSS 216, convertibles are exempt. The Targa, or a roof similar to the one piece roof used on the Corvette makes it a convertible by the legal definition. Also by the legal definition, convertibles are exempted from FMVSS 216. T-tops, on the other hand, do NOT get this exemption and must be tested as a coupe and meet all the standards a car with a full structural must meet. The structure that runs over the roof and joins the top of the windshield header to the top of the b-pillar is missing on a T-top car. It's not to say you can't. You can do anything if you have enough $ and mass to add that structure back in. I'm just pretty sure no one would like the resulting appearance. It would be far from the sleek look of the earlier cars. There is a reason why no one has T-tops in the US market right now. It's not like others are doing it and GM is choosing not to. There isn't anyone doing it for the structural reasons outlined above. I wouldn't say "never" or "impossible" but it would be really, really, really hard to do. Oh and there is that nasty water leak problem T-tops provide. Again, sealing is better in the last 10 years so that can like be overcome with a more robust design.
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Years ago I owned a succession of GM cars, including a '62 'vette, '69 SS396 Chevelle, '70-1/2 Z/28, '64 "vette coupe, and a '76 Trans Am. The lack of horsepower turned me off on the 3rd gen Camaros, but it was the awful "catfish" looks of the 4th gen Camaro that made me buy Ford for the first time ever (a '96 Mustang Cobra in the one-year-only color-shifting mystic paint). I have since added an '01 Mustang Cobra and an '08 GT500 to my garage. But the fabulous 5th gen Camaro ZL1 brought me back to GM.
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In all seriousness though, that car is not taken seriously. It IS a great beater for sure, definitely worth having to slay tires but it lacks refinement. Even the 1st and 2nd gen Camaros had that, the later models fell the way of literally every other American car in the late 80's early 90's and became a plastic heap. |
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07-05-2013, 02:26 PM | #118 |
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1st and 2nd gens had refinement? That's a new one to me. I think what you're offering is anecdotal rather than factual -- especially when taken in the context of the other vehicles of the same period.
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Sam Strano (multi-time SCCA National autocross champion, who I know to speak to) and at least one other guy who open-tracks his would take issue with your disrespect of the 4th gen chassis's handling as much as I did. And those two guys - people I know from CamaroZ28, FRRAX, and other forums - rarely seem to agree with each other on much. And you can always swap out the powertrain for something a bit stouter if you're all that unhappy with the SBC. That path is pretty well defined. Norm |
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...dude, your words are callous and reckless Mike...circle jerk...really.....go somewhere else and stir up crap....
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I actually like the LS1 4th gens.
You can't compare it to the 5th gens because the design is old, GM planned on killing the Camaro off so I doubt the did as good a job on the design as they should have and it was made in a different era. |
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GM did not plan on killing anything off. Really? Are you kidding? I do not think so. The F body line is dead, and it burdens my soul. It died in 2002. Why? I don't wan't to get into the philosophy or reason, but in a microcosim look at what happened with big business, the financial collapse, and bailouts. The problem that occured at the time of demise of the Camaro <and Firebird, with the subsequent death of the Pontiac Division> runs far deeper than your premisie Hobbs. The lineage would have prospered and been in state today if not for a perfect storm occuring. The Camaro died for a lack of support, lack of vision, unwilingness to change, not meeting consumers wants, and the dropping sales within a Corporation that began to see the light of sliding profit and it's inveitable downturn due to not keeping it's eye on the ball,
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Motor trends Wide open throttle episode concerning the Z/28
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07-19-2013, 10:02 PM | #125 |
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Already posted. This car will be amazing for those "track" only drivers. The '14 Z/28 isn't for everybody. Looking forward to a Z28 when and if it'll ever be released not a Z/28. 2nd-4th Gen Z28s will be hard for GM not to eventually make on future models the same way the 1st Gen Z/28 is being influenced by the 2014 Z/28.
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