Camaro Leads the Muscle Car Monthly Sales Race in September 2017 - Page 2

SuperSound · 10-04-2017, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrkPhx

I'm curious to see how good the Mustang sales are the next several months as the MY18 models make their way to dealers and buyers. The price point for a fully loaded 18 GT is pretty damn high compared to the previous year models and certainly comparable to the 6th gen.

Interested as well. I'm not really seeing anything that would help their non-GT trims sell. The V6 is gone, prices are up, and A10 isn't something people are going to run out to grab in that segment. I wouldn't be surprised with Ford's push for performance on this refresh if sales don't slide. The Mustang like the Camaro is moving more in a "premium" market.

camaro5 · 10-04-2017, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnCobalt

That's because mustang fans are waiting for the new 2018 version with its 10-speed A/T.
Let's be real.

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Originally Posted by BrianL

I think so too. the A10 will be a game changer I think.

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Originally Posted by tman0327

Absolutely, they started building and shipping those 2018 Mustangs on October 2nd. Everyone is waiting for the 2018 one or deep deep discounts on 2017s at the very least.

All true.

But, wait until they see the sticker price suddenly shot UP $3,000 for a gt w/ perf pack.

Then, wait for all the 6th gen fans who are waiting for the 2019 Camaro refresh - including:

Above mentioned A10.

More horsepower to top Mustang - as usual.

New 1SS without RS, and minus "performance pack" (Brembo brakes, etc) for a price thousands $$$ lower than the current 1SS, to match entry level mustang gt.

Bye bye mustang!

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Wait, you guys think the Mustang isn't in the lead this time b/c people are sitting and waiting? Huh? The Mustang sales stayed relatively the same, while the Camaro sales shot up. That wouldn't cause Camaro sales to jump up, and if there were THAT many people waiting for the 2018 Mustang to drop, or waiting for 2017 Mustang incentives, the Mustang's sales would have dropped quite a bit. Neither adds up.

The real question is whether Camaro retail sales actually increased, or if this was a massive fleet dump.

We no dump - (anymore).

We win!

We do like our "Medicine" MEDISIN

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camaro5 · 10-04-2017, 05:05 PM

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Ford is gearing up for the future with a new strategic plan, and that means massive overall spending cuts and, on top of that,

redistributing development funds from cars to much more profitable trucks and SUVs.

That means, basically, that some Ford car nameplates will go away – expect some educated speculation on that soon.
But first, the numbers and a quick dive into the details of Ford's announcement.

The overall reduction in spending is about $14 billion – $4 billion of which will be product engineering cuts, and $10 billion of which will be materials savings.

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/10/03/...rucks-suvs-ev/

This not a repost, I just like the mustang emoji

MEDISIN · 10-04-2017, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

Paging MEDISIN!

While history this year would show no fleet dump, They may have dumped some to fleet. GM made no mention of Camaro sales in their monthly press release which usually highlights models retail sales.

Fleet sales slightly up for Camaro to ~6% in September and down to ~24% for Mustang - a positive direction for FoMoCo. ATP's up ever so slightly for Camaro and Mustang but down for Challenger.

Retail ATP's September 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,756
Challenger: $36,181
Mustang: $34,392

Retail Sales September 2017
Camaro: 6,984
Mustang: 4,434
Challenger: 3,394

Retail ATP's YTD 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,912
Challenger: $36,002
Mustang: $35,189

Retail Sales YTD 2017
Camaro: 50,114
Mustang: 43,188
Challenger: 34,821

camaro5 · 10-04-2017, 09:45 PM

This is a TOTAL win! ^^^^

More money, more retail sales by far.

I love it when a plan comes together.

fffffffffggggggf

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shaffe · 10-05-2017, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Fleet sales slightly up for Camaro to ~6% in September and down to ~24% for Mustang - a positive direction for FoMoCo. ATP's up ever so slightly for Camaro and Mustang but down for Challenger.

Retail ATP's September 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,756
Challenger: $36,181
Mustang: $34,392

Retail Sales September 2017
Camaro: 6,984
Mustang: 4,434
Challenger: 3,394

Retail ATP's YTD 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,912
Challenger: $36,002
Mustang: $35,189

Retail Sales YTD 2017
Camaro: 50,114
Mustang: 43,188
Challenger: 34,821

Pretty good stuff right there. I do have to ask, if Camaro had such a good retail month like your numbers suggest, why did the leave it out of their monthly press release? They had mentioned it other times this year. Only thing I can think of is since I believe they compare Sept 17 to Sept 16 that Sept 16 was better in terms of sales.

Godfatha · 10-05-2017, 08:26 AM

I bought my SS back in February, and honestly did not see a lot of 6th gens on the road, but in the last month or so I've seen several just around my part of town. They must be catching on finally.

KMPrenger · 10-05-2017, 11:32 AM

Wow...that's pretty impressive. Good information there MEDISIN.

camaromike77 · 10-05-2017, 11:42 AM

AWESOME!! Doesn't surprise me a bit........

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doc7000 · 10-05-2017, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Fleet sales slightly up for Camaro to ~6% in September and down to ~24% for Mustang - a positive direction for FoMoCo. ATP's up ever so slightly for Camaro and Mustang but down for Challenger.

Retail ATP's September 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,756
Challenger: $36,181
Mustang: $34,392

Retail Sales September 2017
Camaro: 6,984
Mustang: 4,434
Challenger: 3,394

Retail ATP's YTD 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,912
Challenger: $36,002
Mustang: $35,189

Retail Sales YTD 2017
Camaro: 50,114
Mustang: 43,188
Challenger: 34,821

Retail sales data is something that I have wanted to see for a while since the S550 Mustang came out. I seriously wondered that if you compare retail to retail if the Camaro was actually beating the Mustang. Your info says that for 2017 YTD the Camaro is beating the Mustang in retail sales, though now I have to ask for your source on this info.

camaro5 · 10-05-2017, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by doc7000

Retail sales data is something that I have wanted to see for a while since the S550 Mustang came out. I seriously wondered that if you compare retail to retail if the Camaro was actually beating the Mustang. Your info says that for 2017 YTD the Camaro is beating the Mustang in retail sales, though now I have to ask for your source on this info.

KBB KARPOWER

jonny5cam · 10-05-2017, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL

I think so too. the A10 will be a game changer I think.

The Ford is still far behind in chassis design.

doc7000 · 10-05-2017, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jonny5cam

The Ford is still far behind in chassis design.

This is where I feel that the 2018 Mustang while offering a much better performing vehicles will still fall short. I expect that fully loaded Mustang GTs with performance package and A10 transmission will be around 3,900 pounds in curb weight.

JWMotoring · 10-05-2017, 03:48 PM

I bought one in September

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