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Give me an estimated wheelbase for this car. You mentioned earlier the size of a 67 Camaro, about 108" wheel base. The 6th gen rides on a 110" WB. So I think you would agree with me this needs to be a little bit smaller, otherwise it would IMO be way to close in size to a Camaro. So the Cruze is the closest car size wise IMO at 105" wheelbase, so I will make my estimates based off of Cruze prices, just because this car will have to be around that size IMO. A Cruze 1LT Manual starts at 18,390. Starting with the 1LT trim because I don't think there would be a case to offer a car like this in basic trim like the Cruze has the L model. Add the tech package to get the MyLink (which when targeting a young demographic is important IMO). Now you are at $18,940, add the RS package to give it a little more sporty look and you are now sitting at $19,615. That's a good start we are right in your target price range. However, now we take into consideration for some reason that I hope someone more intelligent than I can explain, RWD platforms seems to be more expensive than a FWD platform. Also looking at most cars that offer coupes and sedans the coupe almost always costs more than the sedan. Honda gets away with the civic coupe being 200 less than the sedan, but almost every other car I can think of with a sedan/coupe offering the coupe is more expensive. That is also only with the 1.4 eco-tec engine, which I think we can agree isn't the sportiest and 16" wheels aren't the sportiest either, so this car should probably have 17" wheels to have that sporty look. Now is this car only going to be offered in that type of 1LT trim? Because once you go 2LT on the Cruze, you are looking at a starting price of 24K which would put this car right there with the Camaro and I think it would start stealing sales from the Camaro. Now this is obviously me just guessing using the Cruze as my base, if this car is going to be larger than the cruze I really have a hard time of it coming in at less than 20K |
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Delta/D2XX has and does use AWD. Now, best I can tell it was just on the CUVs built on Delta. Will it be adaptable to the car version, I would hope so. |
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I hope so, too. With them bringing the Cruze hatch to USA, it would be nice if they offered a SS version that was AWD and had the LTG engine.
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The new Cruze will offer a DI version of the 1.4T, improving power I think by 20%.
I will looks for specifics and if necessary post more accurately. Laborsmith Now more accurate Last edited by laborsmith; 09-17-2015 at 02:07 PM. Reason: Changed 25% to 20% |
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Look at all the cars that share the same platform as The Cruze: Volt, Opel Astra, Buick Envision, Equinox and Terrain. That basic 1LT Cruze still costs around 18K in sedan fwd trim. Even if they spread the new platform out to every single division GM has and build as many things as possible off it, your going to have a RWD Coupe, that for reasons we still don't know costs more than a FWD sedan, that would be bigger than a Cruze. It would need the standard features of the 1LT Cruze, plus some minor upgrades to give it the sporty look/feel. I just don't think you can have that car sell for less than 20K. Just noticed you mentioned the 107" wheel base. That is the same size as the Malibu, a 22K car. A LS Malibu with the most basic features is a 22K car. I just don't see how a car that size, in a RWD coupe form will cost 3K less (to hit your target of 19K) than a Malibu without taking some serious shortcuts and using super cheap materials |
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Not sure how well this works. The back may be too long.
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Ok, this is getting very "wishful".
1st, as usual, you guys are setting an very unrealistic price target. I've tried to tell you that a 200 HP Sonic WILL cost $22,500 to $24,000. A Fiests ST with 130 HP will run you $21,000 base. So $22,500 would be pretty solid. I've tried to tell you that a 270 HP Cruze (Sedan only at this time) would run you $24,000 or more. Very competitive with the Focus ST which is also $24,000. But you'll have none of that. What you want is still a unique car with allllll new sheetmetal and allllll new interior that is sporty and exciting yet somehow below $20,000. Then you pile on with wagons and ute body styles that would sell at ridiculously low volumes. Wagons don't sell and there is really a pretty good reason the G8 Ute never made it. You cannot have a low volume, unique car with great "fun to drive" quotient for under $20,000. And all of this because someone thinks $26,000 is too much for a Camaro. Now if you guys want to back down and hope for a Cruze hatch with the 270 HP engine, then awesome. That can happen and it WILL cost $24,000 or more. If you want to hope GM freaking wakes up and realizes the finally have some exciting Opel products and bring over the Astra GTC, then even MOHR awesome. But that car will easily run you close to $30,000. What you want can't exist. RWD or FWD you can't get unique sheet metal and interior and "fun to drive" for under $20,000. It's a UNICORN. No one has such a beast. And if you bring up the Mazda one more time I'll puke. It's simply a nicely styled car. There is nothing special about it otherwise. I happen to like it a lot myself. But to say this car meets the criteria everyone is talking about doesn't work. It is no better looking or performing than the Astra and the GTC would blow the doors off the Focus ST. GM has that car. It's just not here. For me, I want GM to develop a Cruze hatch with the 2.0T and keep it under $24,000. That would be a great car, fun to drive and it's only hurdle is Buick. And if the Cascada does well, maybe the GTC can follow.
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I've tried to thoroughly read through the entire thread and I agree with some points being made. 1: An entry level, sport coupe/roadster is needed IMO. Now, personally, I don't think it necessarily needs to try to look like a little brother to the Camaro. Idk about everyone else but the number 1 car I run into around town that wants to race are the little 90's civics. A FWD, coupe or hatch with tons of aftermarket support. Now I know that's not a "new car" however, that's what I see the younger generation driving. 2: I have to agree that I think the younger generation wants the tech. They want the touch screens and the iphone support and what have you. a bare bones interior is not going to cut it. I do not think it can't look closer to the import scene though. The younger generation grew up with the fast and furious movies. Ricer central. I think something like the Honda S660 ($16,500 base) with a ton of aftermarket or factory support for performance would be a huge hit for a young age group. Is it slow? yes. Is a 90's civic slow? yes. They're looking for the aftermarket, "make it your own" type of vehicle. Throw a turbo and some NOS on it and go ape-sh*t. I think the price point on FRS and BRZ eliminated younger buyers.
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