[cal45]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

Prior to the ZL1 there was an unspoken rule that the Camaro couldn't have more power than the Vette. Throughout the years there are numerous examples of the Camaro having the same engine/drive train as the Vette yet the power numbers were rated lower. Then the ZL1 came along to fight the GT500 and for the first time you could get a Camaro that had more power than the Vette and at a similar price point. Now that that barrier has been broken I don't see why there would be any need to rate the Camaro lower anymore. The C7 is truly a world class sports car and has a lot more to offer than just it's HP rating.

If you are comparing the ZL1 to a C6 Corvette, the proper model to compare it to is the ZR1, as both models are supercharged. There the Corvette again is at the top of the HP page.

[NC_SS]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Vette guys would be unhappy that a Camaro had the same power...

The Z/28 pretty much broke all of that up. The people who typically buy Vettes don't buy Camaro's, and people who typically buy Camaro's don't buy Vettes.

GM has always worried about one taking market share from the other, when they are in completely different markets in terms of buyer. So a 460 HP LT1 in a Camaro wouldn't be any different than the LS7 in the Z. It isn't like the SS would be as fast as a stock Stingray, even if the power is the same.

[woodside783]

a version of the lt1 i wonder what that means 456hp?

[krisprz2010camaross]

I wonder if they are going to make the automatic lose power again....

[White14SS]

What would be cool is if they pulled a dodge say f it and give it 500hp and out power their flagship like the hellcat did to the viper. I know the viper is still faster though, the challenger is so heavy and the charger weighs about as much as an m1 abrams.

[LOBBS]

Originally Posted by krisprz2010camaross

I wonder if they are going to make the automatic lose power again....

LT1 has VVT and AFM with both the stick and auto in the Vette so I doubt it.

[Algeron]

I spoke to a shop manager today, and they are hearing the Camaro will be around 440 hp. I am guessing that will be the manual, and the auto will be lower.

[Camaro_Corvette]

You guys act like the corvette guys said "whew! The 5th gen Camaro has 4 less hp than us! GM has saved us all!"

It's obvious GM isn't "protecting" the corvette. Not to mention the massive decrease in hp they did when they shoved an LS7 into the camaro

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by cal45

If you are comparing the ZL1 to a C6 Corvette, the proper model to compare it to is the ZR1, as both models are supercharged. There the Corvette again is at the top of the HP page.

The point was not to compare models. We were discussing how the top tier Camaro has historically been sandbagged because they didn't want it stepping on the Corvette's toes. When the ZL1 came out it was the first time that GM approved a Camaro with more power than the low end of the Corvette. There was no danger of the ZL1 stealing ZR1 sales, the risk was at the bottom end of the Corvette line up.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by krisprz2010camaross

I wonder if they are going to make the automatic lose power again....

Originally Posted by LOBBS

LT1 has VVT and AFM with both the stick and auto in the Vette so I doubt it.

Yeah, the reason the auto has a lower power rating now is because it is a different engine. Factory power numbers are at the crank not the rear wheels so the trans is not a factor. With the LT1 there is no need for two different engines so the power numbers should be the same for both. Fuel economy numbers should be a little different though.

[cal45]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

The point was not to compare models. We were discussing how the top tier Camaro has historically been sandbagged because they didn't want it stepping on the Corvette's toes. When the ZL1 came out it was the first time that GM approved a Camaro with more power than the low end of the Corvette. There was no danger of the ZL1 stealing ZR1 sales, the risk was at the bottom end of the Corvette line up.

Agree - but I assume GM allowed this as they had the ZR1 ready to claim top HP model and keep the Camaro at #2 in their HP stable.

[LOBBS]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

Yeah, the reason the auto has a lower power rating now is because it is a different engine. Factory power numbers are at the crank not the rear wheels so the trans is not a factor. With the LT1 there is no need for two different engines so the power numbers should be the same for both. Fuel economy numbers should be a little different though.

My point was that with VVT and AFM present in the LT1 regardless of the transmission there won't be a need for a 2nd less potent engine.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by LOBBS

My point was that with VVT and AFM present in the LT1 regardless of the transmission there won't be a need for a 2nd less potent engine.

I understood. I was agreeing with you.

[Criticalmass]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

The point was not to compare models. We were discussing how the top tier Camaro has historically been sandbagged because they didn't want it stepping on the Corvette's toes. When the ZL1 came out it was the first time that GM approved a Camaro with more power than the low end of the Corvette. There was no danger of the ZL1 stealing ZR1 sales, the risk was at the bottom end of the Corvette line up.

GM has other plans for the upcoming C8 Corvette. From the sounds of it, they may be spinning off the Corvette division into its own brand and their top of the line 'vette will be mid-engined. While the lower end cars will be similar to what the c7's are today.

So I'll bet that they are not as worried about overlap as they once were. The mid-engined vette is rumored to come in around 150k or so when it hits.