[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by BlueSteel07

They don't need an entry model, they just needed to make a more base car instead of adding more standard features. It should have been base turbo 4 350hp/350 ft. lbs for $25,000. Base Turbo six 400/400 for $28,000. Base Current SS for $33,000 and smaller V8 with SC or Turbo with 525hp/over 500 torque for $39-40k. It'll never happen but it feels good to dream.

Your numbers are fantasy land. Too many racing video games?

[BlueSteel07]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

Your numbers are fantasy land. Too many racing video games?

I don't play racing games. I said I was dreaming but thanks for being a jerk. I have an 03 cobra and thought it would be nice if GM made something like that. A small V8 FI car that's easy to modify.

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by BlueSteel07

I don't play racing games. I said I was dreaming but thanks for being a jerk. I have an 03 cobra and thought it would be nice if GM made something like that. A small V8 FI car that's easy to modify.

I'm sorry if you feel that I was a jerk. I too wish that I could buy a 400hp V6 camaro for $30k.

Cars are getting a lot more expensive. The 200 hp BRZ is $25k. Inflation sucks but it is inevitable.

[spratleyea]

Originally Posted by 98_Camaro

My old man had a Vega GT back in the day. Dropped a 350 in there and it literally tore the floor apart. Also went through a few rear ends. Sounded like an absolute monster.

That sounds awesome. No one got hurt I hope...

[BlueSteel07]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

I'm sorry if you feel that I was a jerk. I too wish that I could buy a 400hp V6 camaro for $30k.

Cars are getting a lot more expensive. The 200 hp BRZ is $25k. Inflation sucks but it is inevitable.

I over reacted to your comment. I'm still thinking in terms of early 2000 prices. I Probably won't ever buy a brand new performance vehicle because it's just too expensive for me.

[Snoman]

Originally Posted by BlueSteel07

They don't need an entry model, they just needed to make a more base car instead of adding more standard features. It should have been base turbo 4 350hp/350 ft. lbs for $25,000. Base Turbo six 400/400 for $28,000. Base Current SS for $33,000 and smaller V8 with SC or Turbo with 525hp/over 500 torque for $39-40k. It'll never happen but it feels good to dream.

Actually, GM did. The '10 Camaro was right at 35k fully loaded. I didn't price a stripped 2SS, but imagine under 30k. ...and if you waited for the right incentives....well....cheap. 300hp V6's are under 20k right now

2015 1SS; 32k before negotiations
2015 2SS; 32k before negotiations

I agree that it's a shame we have to wait for incentives to get this pricing level, but it's part of the automotive game. Then we get to start discussing why GM thinks a 2SS today is worth 10k more than the 2SS from 5 years ago

[Doc]

That little yellow Toyota SFR concept car? It looks like Toyota may actually be producing it. The price is crazy. Here's a snapshot from an SFR forum:



At $12,500 USD including tax (in Japan) this is an amazing effort. Granted it's pretty basic but it shows what can be done. I would definitely improve the style but hey, at that price I can easily see body kits as an aftermarket option. 47 mpg ain't too bad either.

[laborsmith]

Smaller footprint and not as tall as my now gone SAAB Sonett III, but weighs in a few hundred pounds more. That is if I'm reading the millimeters correctly. The Sonett is my favorite car all time.

Laborsmith

[Posaune]

Might be relevant to this thread, might not. Figured I'd share.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Might be relevant to this thread, might not. Figured I'd share.

So they're trademarking something new...interesting. Well if they've read through this thread (and I wouldn't be surprised if they have), and taken note of the current state of sales of the 6th gen, we might see something new coming in the future. Making something affordable and fun with a new name would be a great move I think.

Keep the current Camaro as THE high performance 4-seater, and come out with essentially a revived pony car that costs at least a third less, with a fun factor based more on styling rather than expensive tech and performance. If it was aimed squarely at the 80% of the market that doesn't use the high tech or performance stuff anyways, and obviously doesn't want to pay for it, I think they'd have a winner. It doesn't even have to be a 2-door coupe; make it a 4-door so the rear seats are reasonably usable. There's nothing that says a modern pony car can't have 4 doors.

I sure hope Chevrolet is considering this; they have everything they need, just need the will to do it.

[andrec10]

Originally Posted by Battlezone580

This whole pricing thing is so annoying... 30 grand for a car no a days is nothing. Even 40k for a car isn't that much, everytime I go into a dealer all the cars are 20k-60k.

Chevy Colardo: 29k-40k
Chevy Impala 30-40k
Chevy Traverse 30k-50k
Chevy Silvarado 30-60k

Chevy Tahoe LTZ = 69k. Are they nuts!

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by Doc

So they're trademarking something new...interesting. Well if they've read through this thread (and I wouldn't be surprised if they have), and taken note of the current state of sales of the 6th gen, we might see something new coming in the future. Making something affordable and fun with a new name would be a great move I think.

Keep the current Camaro as THE high performance 4-seater, and come out with essentially a revived pony car that costs at least a third less, with a fun factor based more on styling rather than expensive tech and performance. If it was aimed squarely at the 80% of the market that doesn't use the high tech or performance stuff anyways, and obviously doesn't want to pay for it, I think they'd have a winner. It doesn't even have to be a 2-door coupe; make it a 4-door so the rear seats are reasonably usable. There's nothing that says a modern pony car can't have 4 doors.

I sure hope Chevrolet is considering this; they have everything they need, just need the will to do it.

Wonder if it could be tied to the Opel GT concept we saw a few months ago and the rumored RWD Sub-ATS/CT1/CT2?

[Baywire]

Originally Posted by Doc

That little yellow Toyota SFR concept car? It looks like Toyota may actually be producing it. The price is crazy. Here's a snapshot from an SFR forum:

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At $12,500 USD including tax (in Japan) this is an amazing effort. Granted it's pretty basic but it shows what can be done. I would definitely improve the style but hey, at that price I can easily see body kits as an aftermarket option. 47 mpg ain't too bad either.

I think the problem you're missing is the performance. We already have a Cruze with better performance than this Japanese version of the FR-S.

130HP 109TQ is very, ok. Especially since everyone who owns an FR-S has gripe with the lack of power causing the car to be sluggish especially in the "dead zone" middle of the RPM range. And that's on the American 200hp 151tq FR-S. You can always add FI to it but now you're looking at a minimum of 30k for this car and then just barely breaking 300hp. So why not just buy a car that already has that power for the same money if not less?

I don't think this thread is asking for that though, I'm pretty sure this thread is looking for the 275HP 2.0L to be available for cheaper, which it should.

Personally I'd like to see GM get more into the AWD game and FI game. With cars its not always about HP per dollar, sometimes it is, but if you have room for gains/performance then the value is there it's just hidden for the enthusiasts to find.

There's no reason GM can put the 2.0L Turbo into an AWD ATS and not do the same for the Cruze. Both cars are actually the same dimensions and would require changes to the accommodate the new engine and transmission which is easily done with a "New Generation" of vehicle.

And even if GM is worried about internal competition, then tune it differently. Make an AWD Cruze LTZ with 225~ HP with room for gains because it's FI and AWD.

Additionally the 2.0l turbo and V6 should be looking at smaller gaps between the next level of Camaro. No reason the 2.0l can't be above or at 300 HP and the V6 being closer to 375. (Personally I think it's a perfect sweet spot between the trim levels to see 75 HP differences, 2.0l 300hp, v6 375, v8 455)

EDIT: Originally posted that you meant FRS not SFR. Regardless its supposed to have a corolla powerplant, but I don't think GM needs to make a Miata when there are so many competitors out there.

[Jeb114]

GM as a whole has to do something

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/01/m...s-ford-fca-gm/