[WATCHER]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

No. The entire vehicle has to be reconstructed - different transmission pairings, different suspension, different driveshaft lengths, braces, fuel line routing, totally different electronics, totally different programming...it is an entirely new engineering feat. It is massive R&D dollars that will be passed onto other platforms. If you want to buy a 6th gen SS with a V8, you should be starkly AGAINST the turbo 4 cylinder option because you'll be paying for that R&D in your price. It is an unknown, so that vehicle will have to be subsidized with the cars you know will sell (the SS's).

I'm praying this is just BS and there will be no turbo option.

You are praying for naught. ATS has 4 turbo & V6. I think quite likely a modified ATS platform to fit the V8 is what IS coming...but likely the V8 was already planned for the ATS. GM is not going to waste the ATS development dollars to NOT fit a 4 turbo in the Camaro.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by TheNewCzar

VermontTuning has upgrades to the the ATS 2.0T around 395hp+. I'm sure they'll have upgrades for the Camaro once the 2.0T lands in its engine bay. That would be a nice semi gas efficient option for the Camaro with some nice power.

We call that a hand grenade.

Originally Posted by WATCHER

GOOD POINT! I forgot about that and I've been staring at an ATS Coupe engine bay all day! (4 turbo from Dallas Auto Show). I HAVE heard "noises" from some
magazine wizards saying the 4 turbo in the Cadillac has NVH issues compared to the German competition. How true is this? I'm taking it with a BIG grain of salt since also reading the positive appellations accorded to the ATS Sedan. Any ATS owners please put in your 2 cents.

Mrs. Number 3's ATS sounds just like a 4 cylinder. Smooth as silk though. Drove a CTS with the same engine and it has a completely different sound. Drove an Audi A6 with their 2.0t and it felt like they wanted to penalize anyone who bought a 4 cylinder. But my Audi Q5 with a 2.0t was pretty awesome. So Alpha can be "ok" and pretty good with the 2.0t

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Number 3

On the EPA cycle it is magical. Real world maybe not so much.

Mrs. Number 3's ATS with the 2.0T and AWD never gets much better than 27 or so on the highway........................of course that would be when I'm driving. but seriously, it will deliver better FE than the 3.6 V6 simply because when not boosted and cruising down the highway it is simply a 2 liter engine vs 3.6 liters.

Doubt it. My guess is the I4 will be set up to boost so quickly that the V6 ends up getting better real world MPG, and have a better top end.

[doc7000]

The alpha platform already has a V-8 engine in testing right this moment, the new CTS V packs a supercharged V-8 engine and the CTS also sits on the alpha platform.

Also people forget that the Chevy Small Block is a very compact engine design meaning it doesn't need that much more space (if any at all) over a V-6 engine which is already in the ATS. Not only that but the LT1 is lighter then the LF3 engine (twin turbo 3.6L DOHC all aluminum V-6 engine) while producing more horsepower and torque and better fuel consumption.

[McRat]

Yes, they put the LSx engine in a mini-truck, SSR, and FWD cars. It's very small for a modern V8. It will fit in an ATS.

Some questions arise about the rumor that Cadillac will have a turbo LSx engine in the next CTS-V. Probably not true.

[Arbgast]

Was told by dealer not to expect any changes untill 2020. Do to the 2014 changes going over well.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Arbgast

Was told by dealer not to expect any changes untill 2020. Do to the 2014 changes going over well.

GM themselves said 2015 is the last of the 5th gen.

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by Arbgast

Was told by dealer not to expect any changes untill 2020. Do to the 2014 changes going over well.

Ha, that is the funniest thing that I've read on this board in a long time. Example #7,643 of a dealer spewing pure rubbish/lies/ignorance (take your pick) in order to sell you a car TODAY.

[doc7000]

I find that dealers often know little to nothing about these cars unless the person you are talking to happens to be a car fan.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Arbgast

Was told by dealer not to expect any changes untill 2020. Do to the 2014 changes going over well.

did you tell your dealer they're an idiot? Because that is completely false.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

You have your thoughts, I have mine, and I don't think the 2.3 will come in with over 323 HP. TQ?...I think so, but not HP.

If Ford offers a performance tune like GM did, then yes I'd say over 323 HP.

I'd put money on you being both correct and incorrect on this one. Ford has stated "over 305hp". I'll wager that we'll see the Euro-spec 2.3 rated around 310-315, fulfilling the stated 305+. However, since the US doesn't have any regulations prohibiting the advertisement of temporary output figures like the Europeans do; we'll see advertised numbers attained within the Ecoboost's "overboost" feature, which provides an uptick of about 7-8%. Most likely in the 330-340hp range


Which will allow the LGX to stay competitive from a HP numbers standpoint. If GM is planning on utilizing the new 3.6L to directly compete with the 2.3, the thing I'm anxious to hear about is the tq output.

[TastyBake]

Originally Posted by doc7000

Here is the funny thing about that, for Ford the V-6 is the base engine and the 2.3L ecoboost I-4 is an upgrade over the V6 Mustang. The V6 Mustang was stated to produce more then the current 305BHP and the ecoboost will be more then that.

For the Camaro the 2.0T is going to be the base engine and the V-6 is going to be the upgrade engine. This is going to be confusing for some people I am sure as they want to compare I-4 o I-4 and V-6 to V-6.

How do you know the 4T is the base?
It may be an upgrade as well.

[spratleyea]

I found this in Road and Track on line. What do you think?

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by spratleyea

I found this in Road and Track on line. What do you think?

A pillar back is ok...just not into the Gen 2 retro...or any retro for that matter. I'm sure some will like the retro though.