Balancing drag radials?

TDS · 01-21-2018, 01:59 PM

I apologize if this has been covered, did not find it in a search.
Do you want or need to balance drag radials? Tire will not be used for street driving at all, track only.
Car is 2017 ZL1 A10
Wheels are 17" welds
Tires are MT ET Street R 305/45R17

My concern with balancing is there is no clearance for inside weights between rim and brakes. Any help is appreciated! This is my first time using drag radials and want to shorten my leaning curve

Thank you
Travis

Ashium · 01-21-2018, 03:52 PM

Are you going to drive on them daily? Many people don’t balance DR’s. If you want to balance them, have them force matched first. That will bring the amount of needed weight way down. It’s hard to tell from the pictures, but the 1/4 oz weights my shop uses are really thin and might clear. You won’t know till you try.

I’ve had to grind calipers down before for clearance, just depends on how bad you want them balanced.

Snowblind · 01-21-2018, 03:59 PM

I would definitely have them balanced. Ask them to put the weights as close as possible to the inner lip

TDS · 01-21-2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashiu

Are you going to drive on them daily? Many people don’t balance DR’s. If you want to balance them, have them force matched first. That will bring the amount of needed weight way down. It’s hard to tell from the pictures, but the 1/4 oz weights my shop uses are really thin and might clear. You won’t know till you try.

I’ve had to grind calipers down before for clearance, just depends on how bad you want them balanced.

No daily driving. I will put them on at the track.
What is forced match?

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Originally Posted by Snowblind

I would definitely have them balanced. Ask them to put the weights as close as possible to the inner lip

Good tip, thank you

laynlo15 · 01-21-2018, 04:33 PM

They make a couple different stick on weights. We have both thick and the thin weights which I have to use the thins or it will hit my calipers.

Dubchitts · 01-21-2018, 04:48 PM

There's also the style that clips on to the bead of the wheel.

Ashium · 01-21-2018, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TDS

No daily driving. I will put them on at the track.
What is forced match?

Good tip, thank you

Basically instead of just randomly mounting a tire and balancing the wheel/tire together. You attempt to use the balance of the rim it’s self against the balance of the tire it’s self. The results depends on what the balance of each is, but sometimes it’s enough to not need any weight at all, to be in balance. Sometimes you’ll still need weight, but normally a much smaller amount.

TDS · 01-21-2018, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by laynlo15

They make a couple different stick on weights. We have both thick and the thin weights which I have to use the thins or it will hit my calipers.

Good to know. Your car looks great!

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Originally Posted by Dubchitts

There's also the style that clips on to the bead of the wheel.

Good Idea

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Originally Posted by Ashiu

Basically instead of just randomly mounting a tire and balancing the wheel/tire together. You attempt to use the balance of the rim it’s self against the balance of the tire it’s self. The results depends on what the balance of each is, but sometimes it’s enough to not need any weight at all, to be in balance. Sometimes you’ll still need weight, but normally a much smaller amount.

Thanks for the info, makes good since!

396ssrat · 01-21-2018, 09:18 PM

I sure balance my drag radials and they also don't get street use. I use stick on weights and metal tape over them to ensure they stay stuck. I do have more room than the wheels/calipers shown do though. So long as they clear the rotating assy you are good to go.

laynlo15 · 01-22-2018, 04:50 AM

Thanks and yes you should balance them since your gonna be running close to 130 mph in the traps.

lokitwitch04 · 01-22-2018, 08:56 AM

This may be a stupid question, but why not use the balancing gel or balancing beads? That's what I've done on all my other wheels and tires and what I use in my motorcycle tires. Is this not a good idea with drag radials? I'm about to get some, so this will be good to know.

396ssrat · 01-22-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lokitwitch04

This may be a stupid question, but why not use the balancing gel or balancing beads? That's what I've done on all my other wheels and tires and what I use in my motorcycle tires. Is this not a good idea with drag radials? I'm about to get some, so this will be good to know.

Snake Oil

lokitwitch04 · 01-22-2018, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Snake Oil

Snake oil?

396ssrat · 01-22-2018, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lokitwitch04

Snake oil?

Something which is designed to make you spend money which is like buying something on TV such as a water powered flashlight. S C A M
Yes, I have heard about the beads but they aren't recommended for racing. I wonder why that would be...

Here is a link to read
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/LowProfileTires.pdf

01-21-2018, 01:59 PM	#1
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01-21-2018, 04:33 PM	#5
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,860	They make a couple different stick on weights. We have both thick and the thin weights which I have to use the thins or it will hit my calipers. __________________ 2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff

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01-21-2018, 09:18 PM	#9
396ssrat Drives: 66 Chevelle SS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,347	I sure balance my drag radials and they also don't get street use. I use stick on weights and metal tape over them to ensure they stay stuck. I do have more room than the wheels/calipers shown do though. So long as they clear the rotating assy you are good to go. __________________ 66 Chevelle SS 396 91 octane Driver n/a 6.44@105.78 1/8th mile

01-21-2018, 03:52 PM	#2
Ashium Drives: Camaro 2.0t, 300zx TT, LSTT Mustang Join Date: May 2016 Location: Miami Fl Posts: 109	Are you going to drive on them daily? Many people don’t balance DR’s. If you want to balance them, have them force matched first. That will bring the amount of needed weight way down. It’s hard to tell from the pictures, but the 1/4 oz weights my shop uses are really thin and might clear. You won’t know till you try. I’ve had to grind calipers down before for clearance, just depends on how bad you want them balanced.

01-22-2018, 04:50 AM	#10
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,860	Thanks and yes you should balance them since your gonna be running close to 130 mph in the traps. __________________ 2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff

01-22-2018, 08:56 AM	#11
lokitwitch04 Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 2SS Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Hamilton, MI Posts: 191	This may be a stupid question, but why not use the balancing gel or balancing beads? That's what I've done on all my other wheels and tires and what I use in my motorcycle tires. Is this not a good idea with drag radials? I'm about to get some, so this will be good to know.

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