[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Rocco70

How do you know it will be faster it might be slower those time might have been the best time over a period of time perfect condition. I think the number will be more like 12.5 as the car is tested it will never see 11 stock.

Did GM say it would do 11?

[LesserO2Evils]

Originally Posted by Rocco70

How do you know it will be faster it might be slower those time might have been the best time over a period of time perfect condition. I think the number will be more like 12.5 as the car is tested it will never see 11 stock.

So I will ask YOU the very same question you just asked SuperSound.... "How do YOU KNOW it will never see 11s, stock?"

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
You dont THINK it will be 12.5. You HOPE it will be 12.5. Very clear by your postings.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

So I will ask YOU the very same question you just asked SuperSound.... "How do YOU KNOW it will never see 11s, stock?"

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
You dont THINK it will be 12.5. You HOPE it will be 12.5. Very clear by your postings.

I seem to recall him saying tenths of a second don't matter...12.3, 12.5...

[ULTRAZLS1]

I love all the hoping for worst case scenario and rounding up on this and telling half the story on that, giving false weight differences, adding mods and voiding warranties...leaving details out... etc etc

Plain and simple. Look at the specs. Look at the power to weight. Look at everything. It is so obvious.

This is the fastest AND best handling car money can buy for under 40k.

End of story.

Now lets hear some more crying and excuses and unfair arguments....

The past couple days have been so entertaining I couldn't have asked for more!

thanks again GM

[kelley1996]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Was their a point to all this? Because Scat Packs do not run 12.3 except in maybe perfect conditions on a well prepped track. Certainly not in any media's testing. The whole comment about being 600lbs lighter should go to show you 12.3 will not be the fastest an A8 6th gen will run either.

I like the Scat Packs cars, might even get a Charger one, but physics and facts are the 6th gen will be faster in independent testing. The 8 speed and power to weight advantage over the 5th gen doesn't exist anymore.

I will have to upload pics of my time slips and track pack. 12.3"s and 4"s. If I had a dollar for everytime I had to show time slips and track pack photos I would not have to work lol! Bone stock on stock tires. Before the HP beta tune I pulled a baseline of 449 horsepower. So dodge is low balling with the 485 horse crap. My brothers shop is constantly finding scat pulls in the 440 to 450 range...figures dont add up with drivetrain loss. Anyway....die hard Camaro guy here but I am keeping my 10 SS and 14SS

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by kelley1996

I will have to upload pics of my time slips and track pack. 12.3"s and 4"s. If I had a dollar for everytime I had to show time slips and track pack photos I would not have to work lol! Bone stock on stock tires. Before the HP beta tune I pulled a baseline of 449 horsepower. So dodge is low balling with the 485 horse crap. My brothers shop is constantly finding scat pulls in the 440 to 450 range...figures dont add up with drivetrain loss. Anyway....die hard Camaro guy here but I am keeping my 10 SS and 14SS

I know a few people that have hit 12.3 in their 392 Challenger, just goes to show private owners will always get better times than the mags. And that's why you can bet the 6 gen will hit high 11s.

[Obsessed 17]

I'm impressed with these numbers. They are on par with an m4 and makes my choice to get one easy. Good job GM!

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by kelley1996

I will have to upload pics of my time slips and track pack. 12.3"s and 4"s. If I had a dollar for everytime I had to show time slips and track pack photos I would not have to work lol! Bone stock on stock tires. Before the HP beta tune I pulled a baseline of 449 horsepower. So dodge is low balling with the 485 horse crap. My brothers shop is constantly finding scat pulls in the 440 to 450 range...figures dont add up with drivetrain loss. Anyway....die hard Camaro guy here but I am keeping my 10 SS and 14SS

LOL...just like the hellcat and gt500 and every other car eh? the stingray puts down only 40 hp below its rating from time to time as well at 415 rwhp. Its not under rated. Cars have more efficient drivelines these days. Pretty simple if you know the facts.

its not under rated

the new sae standard in place since 2004 wont allow it. It is voluntary and the scat pack is certified. The power is witnessed by an engineer from sae as well as Chrysler. Its simply not possible. And their is no reason for it.

this isn't the 60's and no ones car is special.

go ahead and try to extrapolate and guess from a dyno that has so many variables. Air pressure, how tightly the car is strapped down, calibration, temps...its endless. Even same car pull to pull changes by ~5 rwhp sometimes. Ive watched it with all my own cars. Heck they did a "money pull" with my car and let it cool down made 10 more rwhp. Its a tuning tool.

Sounds a lot more accurate than an engine dyno witnessed by sae and the given manufacturer I know.

https://www.sae.org/certifiedpower/details.htm

explains the process and third party witnessing. argue it all you want. these are the facts.

btw not sure what you were saying earlier about 600lb difference. Scat pack is like ~4100 and lightest ss is ~3700. That's 400 lbs not 600.

Originally Posted by ilirg

I know a few people that have hit 12.3 in their 392 Challenger, just goes to show private owners will always get better times than the mags. And that's why you can bet the 6 gen will hit high 11s.

Yep...the Camaro will be faster than the 392. Just look at the trap speed. Look at the power to weight. It is obvious.

This is a tenth from the fastest stock scat pack time ever recorded even from private owner. The scat pack 12.1 run is negative DA and corrects to 12.2.

GM rated the ls3 SS at 12.9. It ran a 12.5 private owner hero run.
Anyone who thinks this 12.3 is the fastest the car will go is simply sour and or in denial.

regardless the same day same strip head to head will show the true story against the scat pack. then we can listen to more excuses.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

LOL...just like the hellcat and gt500 and every other car eh? the stingray puts down only 40 hp below its rating from time to time as well at 415 rwhp. Its not under rated. Cars have more efficient drivelines these days. Pretty simple if you know the facts.

its not under rated

the new sae standard in place since 2004 wont allow it. It is voluntary and the scat pack is certified. The power is witnessed by an engineer from sae as well as Chrysler. Its simply not possible. And their is no reason for it.

this isn't the 60's and no ones car is special.

go ahead and try to extrapolate and guess from a dyno that has so many variablesvariables. Air pressure, how tightly the car is strapped down, calibration, temps...its endless. Even same car pull to pull changes by ~5 rwhp sometimes. Ive watched it with all my own cars. Heck they did a "money pull" with my car and let it cool down made 10 more rwhp. Its a tuning tool.

Sounds a lot more accurate than an engine dyno witnessed by sae and the given manufacturer I know.

https://www.sae.org/certifiedpower/details.htm

explains the process and third party witnessing. argue it all you want. these are the facts.

btw not sure what you were saying earlier about 600lb difference. Scat pack is like ~4100 and lightest ss is ~3700. That's 400 lbs not 600.





Yep...the Camaro will be faster than the 392. Just look at the trap speed. Look at the power to weight. It is obvious.

This is a tenth from the fastest stock scat pack time ever recorded even from private owner. The scat pack 12.1 run is negative DA and corrects to 12.2.

GM rated the ls3 SS at 12.9. It ran a 12.5 private owner hero run.
Anyone who thinks this 12.3 is the fastest the car will go is simply sour and or in denial.

regardless the same day same strip head to head will show the true story against the scat pack. then we can listen to more excuses.

Thank you. You saved me from having to type all that help. Bottom line MT or C&D will have a 3 way comparison next year, and the SS will be faster by tenths.

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[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Thank you. You saved me from having to type all that help. Bottom line MT or C&D will have a 3 way comparison next year, and the SS will be faster by tenths.

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I correct the underrating myth just about every chance I get. I just get tired of the arguing etc...

The SS will be faster a8 vs a8 but should be fairly close. The scat pack is the only real competition left in the price range for the 1/4 mile. The mustang is complete toast.

But if its 6 speed SS vs scat pack a8 will be dead heat. Don't they run ~12.5-6 in most mags/testing? ~114 trap?

A 6 speed SS will have its hands full with a scat pack a8....better be a heck of a driver. Will be very very close.

M6 vs M6 another obvious win for the SS.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I correct the underrating myth just about every chance I get. I just get tired of the arguing etc...

The SS will be faster a8 vs a8 but should be fairly close. The scat pack is the only real competition left in the price range for the 1/4 mile. The mustang is complete toast.

But if its 6 speed SS vs scat pack a8 will be dead heat. Don't they run ~12.5-6 in most mags/testing? ~114 trap?

A 6 speed SS will have its hands full with a scat pack a8....better be a heck of a driver. Will be very very close.

M6 vs M6 another obvious win for the SS.

Agreed. Scat Pack A8 is not something to be taken lightly, especially if in the M6 SS. A tenth or two can definitely be a driver's race.

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[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I correct the underrating myth just about every chance I get. I just get tired of the arguing etc...

The SS will be faster a8 vs a8 but should be fairly close. The scat pack is the only real competition left in the price range for the 1/4 mile. The mustang is complete toast.

But if its 6 speed SS vs scat pack a8 will be dead heat. Don't they run ~12.5-6 in most mags/testing? ~114 trap?

A 6 speed SS will have its hands full with a scat pack a8....better be a heck of a driver. Will be very very close.

M6 vs M6 another obvious win for the SS.

Most manual Scat Packs are in the high 12's...

http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/20...ic-test-review

[LesserO2Evils]

I am amazed that the "underrated" "factory freak" ideologies still exist....over 10yrs later.

[mcsoul]

Scat Pack A8's are consistently hitting 12.3 bone stock on a prepped surface.
I'm hopeful the g6 a8 will do a little better given the same conditions.