[Joe's_cool_1le]

Thanks for info and I will definitely be looking forward to learning more about the install. Local shop wanted $1500 for just AEM Kit and install. Did not include tune. Going to do a bunch more research on it.

[laynlo15]

Seems a little high, install is about 4 or 5 hours and kit is about 450.00. Is that including retuning it?

[Joe's_cool_1le]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Seems a little high, install is about 4 or 5 hours and kit is about 450.00. Is that including retuning it?

No. They said they include the tune for free if I had this work done if they were to install my headers and catback since they would already have to tune for that. Just seems a bit high though.

[BMWM.D.]

I spray methanol through the Heartbeat blower on my Vette. It doesn't have the massive IAT benefits you'd see spraying it post-intercooler on a centrifugal setup, but it obviously helps with octane and knock resistance. Power increase depends how aggressive you want to get. I run about 70/30 methanol/water. Of course, I have all stainless lines and a system made to handle 100% methanol.

Unfortunately, there aren't too many great ways to tune in failsafes with this type of blower and meth system. Pulling timing via the IAT tables doesn't work. A buddy of mine was messing around with a module that could work with the flex fuel tables to add/pull timing based on meth flow. This is what I'll likely do on my next build.

[toohighpsi]

Originally Posted by BMWM.D.

I spray methanol through the Heartbeat blower on my Vette. It doesn't have the massive IAT benefits you'd see spraying it post-intercooler on a centrifugal setup, but it obviously helps with octane and knock resistance. Power increase depends how aggressive you want to get. I run about 70/30 methanol/water. Of course, I have all stainless lines and a system made to handle 100% methanol.

Unfortunately, there aren't too many great ways to tune in failsafes with this type of blower and meth system. Pulling timing via the IAT tables doesn't work. A buddy of mine was messing around with a module that could work with the flex fuel tables to add/pull timing based on meth flow. This is what I'll likely do on my next build.

How much are you using? Methanol adds octane, but it doesn't have the latent heat of vaporization that water does. Depending on the boost level that you are running, try running less methanol and more water - you might find the IATs to decrease.

For example, on a 12 second engine dyno pull (2500-6500) running 11 psi with the Magnuson and an IAT starting temp of 82F:
With straight water (600 cc/min) IAT at end of pull was 92F
With straight methanol (1000 cc/min) IAT at end of pull is 115F

The methanol flows more through the nozzle as it is a less viscous fluid, but even with that higher flow methanol doesn't have the cooling capacity of water - but it does have an octane and fueling benefit on the engine. The best mixture I have found so far on 91 octane is 50/50 - and running about a 0.1 BSWC (brake specific water consumption - excluding the methanol). I will experiment with more sometime, but need further upgrades to the system to achieve higher water/methanol flow.

I agree with you on the fail safe, we are working on a similar system as anti-detonate solutions are pretty much demanded by the new high compression DI engines in the performance world.

[PRAY]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Obviously we will be adding more timing as we did in the VP109 tune. I don't know what else Mike will change. I know we added about 5 degrees more timing from 17 for the 93 tune with 95 mm pulley to 22 degrees with the 90 mm and VP109 fuel. We will see lower intake temp which allow that additional timing. Its a very nice kit as far as I can tell and it was the one that Mike from Magnuson runs on his 9 second Gen 6. I'm running it from the windshield reservoir and not the tank that came with it and that requires pulley the inner fender out on the passenger front fender and pulling out the tank.

You were running 17* on how much boost on 93? Thanks Bro.

And by the way, I made up my mind. Now that the ZL1 is out there will be a market for my ported LT4 blower. SO I am going cam and ported LT4 blower on my car. Hope to have it done by the Fest. I am coming for you.

[laynlo15]

About 17 and 109VP is about 22 degrees. We will see what it is after I go down to the 85 mm pulley tomorrow. I'm running about 7.5 lbs of boost with the 95mm pulley, Mike thinks I'll be at about 9.5 to 10lbs with the 85 mm pulley and about 620 at the wheels but I'll be out of fuel after that so that will be it for this year.

[PRAY]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

About 17 and 109VP is about 22 degrees. We will see what it is after I go down to the 85 mm pulley tomorrow. I'm running about 7.5 lbs of boost with the 95mm pulley, Mike thinks I'll be at about 9.5 to 10lbs with the 85 mm pulley and about 620 at the wheels but I'll be out of fuel after that so that will be it for this year.

Nice, looks like I was way too conservative on my last blower tune.

[laynlo15]

You conservative with a tune. Ha

[PRAY]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

You conservative with a tune. Ha

LOL. Not my car bro. I am willing to burn my stuff down. Not someone elses.

[BMWM.D.]

Originally Posted by toohighpsi

How much are you using? Methanol adds octane, but it doesn't have the latent heat of vaporization that water does. Depending on the boost level that you are running, try running less methanol and more water - you might find the IATs to decrease.

For example, on a 12 second engine dyno pull (2500-6500) running 11 psi with the Magnuson and an IAT starting temp of 82F:
With straight water (600 cc/min) IAT at end of pull was 92F
With straight methanol (1000 cc/min) IAT at end of pull is 115F

The methanol flows more through the nozzle as it is a less viscous fluid, but even with that higher flow methanol doesn't have the cooling capacity of water - but it does have an octane and fueling benefit on the engine. The best mixture I have found so far on 91 octane is 50/50 - and running about a 0.1 BSWC (brake specific water consumption - excluding the methanol). I will experiment with more sometime, but need further upgrades to the system to achieve higher water/methanol flow.

I agree with you on the fail safe, we are working on a similar system as anti-detonate solutions are pretty much demanded by the new high compression DI engines in the performance world.

Sorry, kind of late seeing this. I run a single M15 nozzle from Alky Control. My IATs with the Heartbeat were actually always pretty good. The only time I would see them higher than I'd like would be in heat soak type situations where the car wasn't moving (like sitting in staging lanes at the 1/2 mile, etc.).

I pretty much used the methanol injection for octane increase, as I knew no matter what I ran for a mixture it wouldn't have the massive IAT decreases I saw spraying post-intercooler on my Vortech car. And since CA 91 octane is notoriously bad, I wanted all the octane I could get. I never tried anything lower than 70/30, but I was pretty happy with the performance and additional fueling it provided. It was going about 1 number richer with the methanol spraying, which was my target.

It would have been interesting to try a 50/50 though. But that's not going to happen, as I just took the blower off and am getting ready to sell the car. Corvettes have been fun, but I need a Camaro in my garage again. I'd like to see what you have in the works for a failsafe. I'll most likely have a methanol system on whatever I build next. A Magnuson supercharged 1LE sounds like a lot of fun.

[laynlo15]

Mike (toohighpsi) has higher IATs on his z06 with the 2300 heartbeat then he does on his 2300 heartbeat on the Camaro, sounds like you guys had the same issue. Since he works for Magnuson he can work on those same issues you were facing. I'll see him on the Power tour in a week or so and I'll find out since he'll have the Camaro and Z06 on the tour.

[DevBlackSS]

Good luck on the track! Hope you see 10.5, that would be sick.
Anyone daily drive with meth? How hard is it to maintain? Ive been looking at kits, and the AEM seems to be the way to go.

[laynlo15]

This will be the first runs with 109 and meth. Hoping that happens also. Its gonna be a very warm day on Saturday so the meth inj should help keep the IATs down.