[ninetres]

Originally Posted by Todd_Cooperider

I’m curious as to what exactly you find PITA about coatings?

Applying a coating is definitely more time consuming and difficult than wax or sealant. It’s harder to see where it’s applied, it’s harder to remove after it flashes (I’ve only used CQUK, so maybe others are easier). They also require correction beforehand as many waxes/glazes/sealers fill in micro scratches. They are also more sensitive to air, and can leave streaks/high spots if done incorrectly. That doesn’t happen with wax.

[Todd_Cooperider]

Originally Posted by ninetres

Applying a coating is definitely more time consuming and difficult than wax or sealant. It’s harder to see where it’s applied, it’s harder to remove after it flashes (I’ve only used CQUK, so maybe others are easier). They also require correction beforehand as many waxes/glazes/sealers fill in micro scratches. They are also more sensitive to air, and can leave streaks/high spots if done incorrectly. That doesn’t happen with wax.

I see. Most of your concerns are product related. A really good coating negates much of that. And for time, the initial application is only minimally more time involved, however you apply it once to last several years, versus waxing / sealing every couple of months. I have been afforded the opportunity to test and help develop coatings for many years now, and much of the experiences I have had were similar to what your experience is based upon. If mine were limited to those, I may still just be using waxes or sealants myself...and I do this for a living.

Another problem / myth in this business is that coatings need to be difficult to work with to be good, and that couldn’t be further from the truth.

There’s nothing wrong with waxes and sealants if that’s what somebody chooses to use.

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by Todd_Cooperider

I see. Most of your concerns are product related. A really good coating negates much of that. And for time, the initial application is only minimally more time involved, however you apply it once to last several years, versus waxing / sealing every couple of months. I have been afforded the opportunity to test and help develop coatings for many years now, and much of the experiences I have had were similar to what your experience is based upon. If mine were limited to those, I may still just be using waxes or sealants myself...and I do this for a living.

Another problem / myth in this business is that coatings need to be difficult to work with to be good, and that couldn’t be further from the truth.

There’s nothing wrong with waxes and sealants if that’s what somebody chooses to use.

What coating do you recommend, that negates all those issues?

[waterman]

Originally Posted by ninetres

What coating do you recommend, that negates all those issues?

+1

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by waterman

+1

He owns a detailing company (Esoteric). His site seems to sell Gyeon and Kamakazi products.

[waterman]

Originally Posted by ninetres

He owns a detailing company (Esoteric). His site seems to sell Gyeon and Kamakazi products.

Roger that. Thanks for the heads up.

[KirkH]

Originally Posted by ninetres

He owns a detailing company (Esoteric). His site seems to sell Gyeon and Kamakazi products.

Yes, another newcomer to the forum looking to increase subscriber number before becoming part of the community.

[MoreSpeed]

The main way to reduce or prevent swirls in my experience has more to do with drying technique. I have been using a masterblaster blower for years. You are not rubbing drying microfiber clothes over your car to dry it.

Separately, I have used this technic on cars without Ceramic coatings and now with my ZL1 which has Ceramic Coatings. The car with the Ceramic coating drys much more quickly and water sheets off better and faster with the blower, versus cars without the Ceramic coatings.

[Glen e]

I have coated two cars, and kept them meticulous with the coating. They did all the things the coating say they’re going to do. However I just am not gonna spend the time to do it again , because I can damn near get the same gloss results with the silica products; car pro essence polish and reload. I don’t need for something to last for years and I’m garaged in a great climate for cars, the car is rarely really dirty. It just doesn’t take as much time and effort, and the car is swirl free at all times. I use a clean, laundered waffle weave towel to dry it, and I’ve never scratched my car. I don’t mind wiping on reload every 3 to 4 months, And I’m certainly not gonna pay an installer hundreds or thousands to wipe on a coating, It only takes about 20- 30 minutes. Once you buy the polisher, which I use on the car annually, the products are only about 30 bucks, for a couple years worth. Honestly, it looks like this rain or shine, all the Time, dirt just flies off it:

[EMTNLSS]

Originally Posted by KirkH

Yes, another newcomer to the forum looking to increase subscriber number before becoming part of the community.

I don't think he's trying to. He hasn't advertised it like others do. He hasn't even posted he owns Esoteric until someone mentioned they wanted to know where they could see his videos.

[ag1leSS]

I applied 2 coats of cquartz to my car and it still is fine.

However I've only washed 3 times. My car has less than 2k miles on it and I've had it since beginning of September 2017.

I also use a masterblaster blower to dry

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by EMTNLSS

I don't think he's trying to. He hasn't advertised it like others do. He hasn't even posted he owns Esoteric until someone mentioned they wanted to know where they could see his videos.

I agree. Wasn’t the usual subscriber hunter post. Plus he actually posts useful content, and has a ZL1 1LE on the way! I’m in for the videos detailing that!

[Todd_Cooperider]

Originally Posted by ninetres

What coating do you recommend, that negates all those issues?

Granted, you know what brands I represent, but I'm not here to promote specific brands given the fact that I am not a sponsor of the forum. Having said that though, I can use any product I want, and could also easily get sponsored by brands to use their products given our reputation and worldwide reach. I choose however to use products that first and foremost are easy to use, and they are high performing. We sell what we use...not the other way around.

There are other companies out there that produce great coatings with ease of use. But unfortunately for consumer DIY'ers (and detailers), there are far more "me-too" products, and private-labeled pop-up brands all of the time. Additionally, the amount of overly hyped, and just plain bad information being thrown around by manufacturers, and unknowing detailers are disheartening.

While I may not have given you the exact information or answer you were looking for, hopefully at least you get some better insight to the industry, and to my thought processes. Thanks!

Originally Posted by KirkH

Yes, another newcomer to the forum looking to increase subscriber number before becoming part of the community.

I don't normally "do" forums, so I'm not sure what you're even referring to. Having said that though, it does seem that you're implying that I'm attempting something underhanded? I just took delivery of a ZL1 1LE two days ago, and have spent a little time on here trying to pick up some information on the car, and to help me plan out what I want to talk about and educate in the video series on it we have planned to do. And when I see an opportunity for education, I am going to participate as necessary without coming across as trying to advertise or promote without actually paying the forum accordingly.

I have spent the last 10 years educating not only the professional detailing industry, but DIY'ers alike. Hundreds of articles and videos later, and after 5 years of operating arguably the most prestigious detailing academy in the world, I have built a very solid reputation for educating in a way that cuts through hype, and providing solid, useful information.

The sharing of quality knowledge isn't directly related to post counts...

Originally Posted by waterman

Roger that. Thanks for the heads up.

If you see my answer above, you'll get a better idea of what I like and don't like in coatings and other products. Please don't hesitate to let me know if I can answer any other questions.

Originally Posted by MoreSpeed

The main way to reduce or prevent swirls in my experience has more to do with drying technique. I have been using a masterblaster blower for years. You are not rubbing drying microfiber clothes over your car to dry it.

Separately, I have used this technic on cars without Ceramic coatings and now with my ZL1 which has Ceramic Coatings. The car with the Ceramic coating drys much more quickly and water sheets off better and faster with the blower, versus cars without the Ceramic coatings.

It's all about washing / drying techniques, as well as the dreaded "wiping down at car shows" syndrome. I have even produced a video entitled "Show Cars: Why their paint looks so bad".

Originally Posted by EMTNLSS

I don't think he's trying to. He hasn't advertised it like others do. He hasn't even posted he owns Esoteric until someone mentioned they wanted to know where they could see his videos.

Originally Posted by ninetres

I agree. Wasn’t the usual subscriber hunter post. Plus he actually posts useful content, and has a ZL1 1LE on the way! I’m in for the videos detailing that!

I think you'll really like the videos. The plan right now is for 6 of them...Introduction, Performance Modifications, Paint Polishing / Correction, Paint Protection Film, Coatings, and Final Thoughts. They will be focusing on the thought processes of each topic, education on why, addressing myths, and explaining to enthusiasts on how they can get the most out of everything. The focus will be on education and processes...not just product commercials! We have the very first video shoot next weekend, and it usually takes 2-3 weeks to get through editing and then on the publishing schedule (we're usually publishing 2-3 videos per week).

[Arugon]

I did Cquartz a couple months ago and I honestly wouldn't do it again. Took FOREVER to do and is a huge pain in the ass to buff off after it flashes. The results were great but I feel I could get the same results with just a sealant that is much easier to apply.