[L99BEN]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The Camaro is in highway gear after~135. Mustang not until 155+

Gearing most likely the culprit rather than better breathing at high rpm... Kind of like the prior manual GT's with 3.73's hitting a wall in 4th gear around 140 in 5th even though top speed was 155. 140-150 took 27sec in this test:

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Bobkd

The mustangs done at the end of 5th gear. If they ran the race for a mile and a half the camaro would have passed it.

Unlikely, with the Mustang 8mph faster at the mile even if it gained nothing over the next half mile the Camaro would not gain enough to overcome the advantage the Mustang had in the short time it takes to cover 1/2 mile at 158mph.

Not that any of this matters

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Unlikely, with the Mustang 8mph faster at the mile even if it gained nothing over the next half mile the Camaro would not gain enough to overcome the advantage the Mustang had in the short time it takes to cover 1/2 mile at 158mph.

Not that any of this matters

The Mustang is also limited to around that speed. Unless MT disabled that with a tune we don't when the Mustang actually hit that speed. I also find in odd that they list the 1LE Hp as SAE certified but not the Mustang.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Unlikely, with the Mustang 8mph faster at the mile even if it gained nothing over the next half mile the Camaro would not gain enough to overcome the advantage the Mustang had in the short time it takes to cover 1/2 mile at 158mph.

Not that any of this matters

1) The distance was one mile
2) They didn't mention the time required.
3) Agree. Its a silly, meaningless measure that does not matter.

To the best of our cowboy science abilities, we marked off what probably was pretty close to a mile and went for it. The Mustang repeatedly beat the Camaro, showing 159 mph on its speedo to the Chevy’s 151 mph.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...ck-comparison/

[Bobkd]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Unlikely, with the Mustang 8mph faster at the mile even if it gained nothing over the next half mile the Camaro would not gain enough to overcome the advantage the Mustang had in the short time it takes to cover 1/2 mile at 158mph.

Not that any of this matters

It doesn't matter. My point is that the mustang is geared perfectly for this 1 mile race. If Chevy geared the Camaro to top out in 5th at 160 it would have been much closer. Now let's race to 180 and see who wins.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

1) The distance was one mile
2) They didn't mention the time required.
3) Agree. Its a silly, meaningless measure that does not matter.

1) you’re missing part of the conversation.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Yes^^^

Theoretical speed. Actual is governed

FYI, those MT82 ratios are wrong for 2018.

[BlaqWhole]

Why was it on dirt and not on pavement?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Mountain

FYI, those MT82 ratios are wrong for 2018.

I used the numbers provided here.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=172

[Norm Peterson]

Those were the 'early MT82' ratios. They were revised slightly for 2018.

1st: 3.24 (from 3.66)
2nd: 2.10 (from 2.43)
3rd: 1.42 (from 1.69)
4th: 1.00 (from 1.31)
5th: 0.81 (from 1.00)
6th: 0.62 (from 0.65)

Quite a few people prefer the early gearset.



Norm

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Those were the 'early MT82' ratios. They were revised slightly for 2018.

1st: 3.24 (from 3.66)
2nd: 2.10 (from 2.43)
3rd: 1.42 (from 1.69)
4th: 1.00 (from 1.31)
5th: 0.81 (from 1.00)
6th: 0.62 (from 0.65)

Quite a few people prefer the early gearset.

Norm

Even better for a one mile pull to 158 mph. I corrected it in the other locations too.

[baron95]

Yes. In the Camaro it looks like that 4th to 5th gear shift on track is death.

The bad news for me is that I go to a bunch of tracks that have ˜140-145MPH end of straight Vmax. It will be death shifting up to 5th at 135MPH.

[autocross]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

But MotorTrend DID do a comparison between a non-1LE SS (a 2SS) against the M4. If you haven't watched it, spoiler alert: the 2SS did NOT have unwanted body motions and vague steering. In fact, they declared the 2SS the winner over the M4 (even though the numbers were very close) precisely because of the steering, chassis, and handling characteristics of the 2SS (and they liked the engine more in the 2SS as well).

So, I disagree with your point. You CAN put a car against a track variant, and not have that HUGE amount of body issues. Just put the regular SS against a 1LE. As you said, the PP1 and regular SS are close in terms of lap times, but the regular SS does not have the handling and steering issues of the PP1.

If you are going to have a performance pack and add suspension bits to make the handling better, do a better job. It should have quick turn-in, precision, and feedback in the steering. It should not have too much unwanted body movements in the transitions. The PP1 checks NONE of these boxes. Anytime that you initiate a turn in a car, then have to adjust the steering back in the other direction because of the body flopping around, it is a fail.

The regular SS (non-1LE) doesn't do that. The steering has instant turn-in, extreme precision, and good feedback. That is one of the reasons the 1LE is soooo good. It starts with a great performing car to begin with, and then adds to it to take it up a notch.

Sorry to dig this up from ages ago, but I was hilariously reading through the entire forum. I know, I know - I should find something better to do with my time.

This post caught my eye because you claimed with the proper suspension on the S550, the steering would precise, and offer more feedback. Do you have any evidence on this?

I am aware ford performance makes a “Track Handling Pack” for the mustang, and I believe it’s about 1K or a little more. Apparently this absolutely redefines the handling characteristics of the S550, but I am not sure if it improves the somewhat sloppy feeling steering.

Someone who installed that kit actually managed 1.11 G’s in a corner which I find a pretty impressive jump over stock (running PP1 tires i believe).

Now If we are comparing cars, what about this-
Stock Camaro SS VS Mustang GT w/ Track Handling Pack

Before you all start talking about the better brakes, and other track oriented goodies you aren’t getting with a non PP GT. Hear me out... Most drivers are probably buying their cars for appearance and status, but a handful will be enthusiasts.

Out of that handful of enthusiasts, how many will actually be track rats? Not many at all. Why? Because that takes access to a track and resources which most buyers can’t afford. So that means this car, in the hands of an enthusiast, will be driven spiritedly on public roads (maybe autocross).

For this, the non PP components would be perfectly adequate. You would get an S550 with a higher lateral acceleration than the Camaro SS for a cheaper price. The prices would be close, but numbers like 1.11 G’s are much closer to that of the SS 1LE which is a significantly higher price. For that much money, you could put wider / stickier tires on the GT for an even higher lateral acceleration.

You miss out on lots of track goodies, but it sounds like a good way to get serious handling. And it sounds like with better suspension, the steering will translate more information because all of those vibrations are not being absorbed by the overly loose chassy —-

Someone please confirm my last statement though! The one downside of the S550 is the steering feel, but that could be totally dependent on the super soft suspensuon. That could easily make the car just feel totally disconnected through the wheel? Or maybe there’s more to it?

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by autocross

Before you all start talking about the better brakes, and other track oriented goodies you aren’t getting with a non PP GT. Hear me out... Most drivers are probably buying their cars for appearance and status, but a handful will be enthusiasts.

This brings it down to whether a person is buying a car to be more like everybody else who doesn't ever drive the corners SS- or only GT-level hard and buys one anyway or is serious enough about the track capability to remain independent of what the herd thinks.

If it's the latter, that's when the choice to buy the best available factory build (1LE or PP2) or do it yourself starting with something "lesser" comes into play. At least that's the situation today; it wasn't always that way.


Norm